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(Somber music)

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(Thunder)
(Ominous music)

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[Voiceover] He's reaching
out, really, for the downtrodden

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Of society, for the average
Joe on the street who wants

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To look up to his lyrics
and his music and say,

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"Hey, this man's
talking my language."

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[Voiceover] You guys don't
like explaining anything

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To do with your music...

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[Voiceover] There's
nothing to be said,

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It's all in the music, man.

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It's all in the music.

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[Voiceover] If there was
a John Lennon-type figure

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For the so-called "Generation
X," it would be Cobain.

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[Voiceover] The body of
Nirvana leader Kurt Cobain

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Was found in a house in
Seattle on Friday morning,

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Dead of an apparently
self-inflicted shotgun blast

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To the head.

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[Voiceover] An electrician
hired to work on Cobain's home

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Walked up to this room
above Cobain's garage

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And made the shocking
discovery this morning.

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[Voiceover] A
suicide note was found.

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[Voiceover] This
is a puzzling case,

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A very disturbing case.

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[Voiceover] It first got
reported that Kurt was missing

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And Courtney Love hired
private investigator Tom Grant.

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[Voiceover] I had
been involved in

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Missing persons cases before.

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Some red flags started
popping up immediately,

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So I began recording every
conversation I had with Courtney

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During the entire period
that I worked for her.

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[Voiceover] My
name is (Indistinct)

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[Voiceover] It could be
made to look like a suicide.

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[Voiceover] People that
I had do this, I paid.

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[Voiceover] I've walked
into cases that looked

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Like they were suicides that
turned out to be homicides.

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[Voiceover] Cobain's
wife, singer Courtney Love,

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Was in England on tour
with her band Hole

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When the body was discovered.

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[Voiceover] As it is,
she has inherited an estate

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Worth tens of
millions of dollars.

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That's motive.

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[Voiceover] Did Courtney
Love kill Kurt Cobain?

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Did she have a hand in
any kind of conspiracy?

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These are favorite
topics of fanatics.

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[Voiceover] There's nothing
in the medical examiner's

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Report or coroner's reports
that could not have easily

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Have been duplicated
by a murderer.

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[Voiceover] It's entirely
possible that a police officer,

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No matter how well-trained,
may not see or notice

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A particular item of evidence.

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[Voiceover] Kurt
Cobain was not barricaded

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Inside the room.

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He did not leave his
driver's license out.

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No one would believe
that was a suicide note.

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Kurt Cobain was injected
with three times

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The lethal dose of heroin.

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The media was
getting this wrong.

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(Thunder)
(Rain)

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(Ominous music)

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Are you sure
he's not in there?

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I knocked for at
least five minutes.

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If he's there he
would have answered.

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Alright, I just
don't wanna end up

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On the wrong end of a shotgun.

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Let's go.

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[Dylan] Careful.

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[Dylan] Kurt?

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Kurt!

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[Tom] If we find
it we're gonna have

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To take it, right?

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[Dylan] Yeah.

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Which I can legally
do since I bought it.

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It's in my name, so...

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[Tom] Not here, could
it be under the bed?

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[Dylan] Might be.

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[Tom] No. Alright,
let's move this.

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Alright, what is this?

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This mean anything to ya?

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[Dylan] Rohypnol,
that's where they are.

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[Tom] What?

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He kept saying
someone stole 'em,

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But they've been sitting there.

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These are what he
OD'ed on in Rome.

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[Tom] Well she didn't
want us to take those.

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Yeah.

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[Tom] Uh, wait a minute.

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Would she be okay
if you keep 'em?

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[Dylan] Yeah.

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Are they legal here?

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[Dylan] Yeah, they're
completely legal, they're like...

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[Tom] What are they used for?

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[Dylan] They're
sold as a sedative for

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Sleeping ailments, and sometimes
they're given to people...

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[Tom] And if we get
pulled over, you're not

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Gonna get arrested
for havin' those?

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[Dylan] No, they're fine.

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Well it's obviously
not here, the shotgun.

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No, and I dunno
where it would be.

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[Tom] Is there anywhere else?

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[Dylan] No.

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[Tom] Okay.

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My name is Tom Grant.

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I was hired by Courtney
Love to find her missing

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Husband, Kurt Cobain,
in April of 1994.

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My father was a schoolteacher,

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And this is a man I
never caught one time

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In my entire life telling a lie.

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He was the best role
model anybody can ask for.

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By the time I became a
junior in high school,

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I definitely wanted to
be a police officer.

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Graduating from the L.A.
County Sheriff's Department

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Was a very proud day for
me and for my family.

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My first assignment
was a patrol division

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At West Hollywood
Sheriff Station.

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When I quit the department,
I quit in very high standing.

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From there I moved
on, took the test

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And obtained my own private
investigator's license.

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I believe what makes me a good
P.I. is that I always apply

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Logic and common sense
to everything that I do.

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I've seen a lot of
suicides, a lot of murders,

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And I don't try to
pre-determine anything.

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And if I feel that my
client, that's coming to me

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For help, is in the wrong based
on what they're telling me,

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I'll let them know,
"This could be a pretty"

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"Dangerous trip for you."

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Scratch the surface of most
P.I.s and you don't find a clean

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Record, you find
a lotta skeletons.

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And then we met Tom Grant.

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It turned out he had
an exemplary record.

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He was respected, he
was a stand-up guy.

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There was a consensus,
and that went a long way

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To convincing us
of his credibility.

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The word conspiracy is
actually a legal term.

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It simply means two or
more people plotting

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Or planning to commit a crime.

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Even committing shoplifting
with another person

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Can actually be charged
with conspiracy.

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When somebody refers to me
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I take it as an insult because
I know what they mean by it.

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Hiring me is not like
hiring an attorney.

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It's not to protect you, it's
not to keep you outta jail.

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My job as a private investigator
is to find the truth.

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It's simply to find
the truth in the matter

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That you're hiring me for.

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(Eerie music)

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On Easter Sunday,
I was in my office

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With a private investigator
who worked for me

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Named Ben Klugman,
and we were dealing

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With a client when
the phone rang.

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(Phone ringing)

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Now who calls on Easter?

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Would you excuse us
for just a second?

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The Grant Company,
how may I help you?

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[Tom] And it was a woman's
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Kind of a raspy, low voice.

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Now if someone is unlawfully
using your credit cards,

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Maybe the police are the
better people to call.

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[Tom] And then she said,
"My husband and I are"

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"Kinda famous, and we need
to get this done right away."

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And your husband's name?

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Are you kidding me?

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No, no.

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I was about 47 at
the time; Ben Klugman,

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My investigator, was 29.

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He immediately
knew who they were

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And what had been
going on, even in Rome

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Just a few weeks earlier.

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Because it was a holiday, of
course, there were very few,

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If any, other
private investigators
working, so she went

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Through the Yellow Pages
and she found our ad

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And I was probably one
of many that she called,

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And I think she was
probably surprised

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To have the phone picked up.

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What room number?

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It's not very often that
a private investigator goes

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Against his client, so I'm
sure she regrets hiring me.

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When we were available
to meet Courtney

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At the Peninsula Hotel,
first thing she said,

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And this is her words,
they're not mine,

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You leak this to the press,
I'll sue the fuck out of you.

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Well, hello to
you too. (Laughing)

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How ya doin'?

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Kurtis came from
rehab a couple days ago.

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He bought a ticket back to
Seattle, but nobody's seen him

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Since he got back.

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When I first entered
the room, she was wearing

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A negligee nightgown,
totally see-through.

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She might as well have
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[Courtney] I called
the credit card companies

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And told them that
the card was stolen

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And that they should cancel it.

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[Tom] Was it?

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[Courtney] What?

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[Tom] Stolen.

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[Courtney] No.

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Courtney eventually told
us that Kurt's credit card

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Actually wasn't stolen,
that she had called the

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Credit card company and
canceled it so that nobody

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Could use it.

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She felt that that would,
essentially, cut him off

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From any funds.

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I'm sure your husband has
another way of getting money.

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[Courtney] Are you kidding me?

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Kurt is helpless, he
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Again, in her words,
"You don't understand."

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"This guy can't even catch a..."

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Fucking cab by
himself if he wanted to!

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[Woman] Hey.

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[Courtney] Hey.

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That's my drug dealer.

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I didn't know at the
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To be an in-house rehab.

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I learned that later,
but a total farce.

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Most of the time I was
with her, she was either

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On drugs or doing drugs.

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There was nobody overseeing
what was going on there.

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[Courtney] Listen,
Kurt escaped from rehab,

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He bought a shotgun, and I
just feel like something bad

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Is gonna happen, okay?

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In the middle of all this
conversation, she keeps talking

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About how suicidal he is,
and how everybody thinks

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He's gonna commit suicide.

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[Courtney] Everybody
knows it, everybody thinks

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He's gonna die.

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Hold on a second.

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If he bought a shotgun
and he's suicidal,

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Then dealing with this
credit card problem,

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That's the least important
thing we could help you with.

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[Courtney] Okay, well that's
where I want you to start.

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She started off with a lie
when we first talked to her

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On the phone, saying why
she wanted to hire us,

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Which wasn't true, and
then she starts telling us

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These other things that
just didn't add up.

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They weren't logical,
they didn't make sense.

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So all kinds of red
flags started popping up.

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I dunno what's gonna
happen with this case,

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But we are gonna
document everything.

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Looking back on that day,
it turned out to be a day

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That really changed
my life forever.

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The name Kurt Cobain
goes through my mind,

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Probably three or 400
times a day, at least,

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And it has for the last
20 years, by necessity,

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Because of the e-mails I
get, the letters I get,

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And all the other stuff,
because he was so famous,

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And it gets a little
bit old after a while,

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Just thinking Kurt Cobain,
Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain.

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[Voiceover] Kurt Cobain,
Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain,

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Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain.

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(Rock music)

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(Rock music)

252
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Growing up in Aberdeen,

253
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Basically not a whole lot to do.

254
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Nine months out of the
year is very dreary,

255
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Very overcast, lotsa rain.

256
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It's kinda hard living in this
area and not being depressed.

257
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Employment
opportunities in Aberdeen,

258
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There's not a whole lot.

259
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For the most part, we
were lower-middle class.

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I don't think we would
be considered poor,

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We certainly didn't go hungry.

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The first two weeks of
the month, everybody gets

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Their welfare check,
the bars are packed.

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The last two weeks of the
month, the bars are empty

265
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And that's pretty much the
state of living. (Laughing)

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Kurt used to live
across the street,

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And his mother and him,
they'd sit out there and argue

268
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For a half hour or 45 minutes,
and the wife and I slept up

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In the upstairs bedroom, so
we used to hear it. (Laughing)

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I knew Kurt Cobain
from the high school.

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He ran around with
my two oldest sons.

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The couch I'm sitting
on now is the couch

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That Kurt slept on.

274
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He stayed for a few days,
and then a few days more,

275
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And it just sorta stretched
out to be about a year.

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It's a depressing
atmosphere, but I also think

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At the same time, that's
why we have so many bands

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From all over Washington State.

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There was nothing to do.

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It rained constantly, so
what you had to do was

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You had to improvise.

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People tended to pick
up instruments and play,

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And I think that just
affected the music

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For this whole
region in general.

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In our neighborhood,
we lived a block away

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From the group that
became the Melvins.

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Metal Church lived in
the house next door.

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We had examples of
people who made it.

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I used to see him with
his drum sticks beat

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On the stop signs, on the
fences, and his dad had

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A old Ford pickup, he used
to beat on that. (Laughing)

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When he first saw the Melvins
live for the first time,

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He just knew that that
was what he wanted to do.

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The day that changed his life.

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Before Nirvana, we
were called Skid Row,

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And then we went from Skid
Row and we played live

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On the radio, a
midnight show on Chaos.

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The very next day, I
showed up at Kurt's

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And Kurt had his easel
and he was paintin'

300
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This picture, and I
looked at it and I go,

301
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"What the hell?"

302
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It was a painting of a giant pen

303
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With its cap all chewed up.

304
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From that day on, we
were called Pencap Chew.

305
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We did some shows
as Pencap Chew,

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And Kurt tired of that,
so we're Ted Ed Fred.

307
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They don't like that no more,
so we're gonna be Bliss.

308
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The fourth name was Bliss,

309
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And then the fifth
name was Nirvana.

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I didn't see him
as being particularly

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Different emotionally
from any of us.

312
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I think people tended
to read him wrong,

313
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Just because he
was a quiet person.

314
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I don't see Kurt as
being depressed at all,

315
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I see him as being optimistic.

316
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He gave me a lotta hope,

317
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To hopefully, some day,
get outta this area

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With my music.

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Nirvana, Mudhoney and the
Melvins was doing something.

320
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It was proactive.

321
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To me, that takes courage,
and he had that courage,

322
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And that was the big difference.

323
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He had so much talent
and tremendous amount

324
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Of creativity to give,
so it's unlimited,

325
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What he could've done.

326
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It would be nice to,
eventually, start playing

327
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Acoustic guitars and be
thought of as a singer

328
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And a songwriter rather
than a grunge rocker.

329
00:20:01.167 --> 00:20:03.670
Because then I might be able
to take advantage of that

330
00:20:03.670 --> 00:20:05.600
When I'm older and
sit down on a chair

331
00:20:05.600 --> 00:20:09.567
And play acoustic guitar like
Johnny Cash or something,

332
00:20:10.467 --> 00:20:13.767
And it won't be a big
joke, but who knows?

333
00:20:15.100 --> 00:20:17.200
My last real memory of Kurt

334
00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:21.167
And it's not a good thing
for me, but I was on my way

335
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To work and I had to get gas.

336
00:20:22.800 --> 00:20:24.633
I stopped in at one
of my former employers

337
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And I was gettin' gas for
my car, and they actually

338
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Had the radio playing.

339
00:20:31.967 --> 00:20:33.700
They overheard it on
the radio and stuff,

340
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Standing, paying for my
gas, and it was like...

341
00:20:39.933 --> 00:20:41.867
I can't forget that day.

342
00:20:48.700 --> 00:20:53.700
(Eerie guitar music)

343
00:20:56.533 --> 00:20:57.533
[Courtney] I called
the credit card company

344
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Like you said, and

345
00:21:02.667 --> 00:21:04.670
They told me he also
bought two tickets

346
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On United Airlines.

347
00:21:05.867 --> 00:21:07.100
[Older man] Where to?

348
00:21:07.100 --> 00:21:09.600
They don't know, or
they won't tell me.

349
00:21:10.933 --> 00:21:13.233
All they told me was how
much he paid for 'em.

350
00:21:13.233 --> 00:21:15.300
So, I dunno.

351
00:21:19.267 --> 00:21:21.600
Maybe he's going to hang
out with Michael again.

352
00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:22.733
Michael.

353
00:21:22.733 --> 00:21:24.100
Stipe.

354
00:21:25.733 --> 00:21:27.867
Lead singer of R.E.M?

355
00:21:30.667 --> 00:21:35.500
Anyway, I figure he
flies up, gets his guitar

356
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From Seattle and then he
flies down to Atlanta,

357
00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:38.700
But he has two tickets.

358
00:21:38.700 --> 00:21:41.670
Did he buy a ticket
for someone else?

359
00:21:41.667 --> 00:21:46.467
(Crying)

360
00:21:46.467 --> 00:21:49.133
I think Kurt wants a divorce.

361
00:21:49.133 --> 00:21:50.800
Why would you say that?

362
00:21:50.800 --> 00:21:55.467
He left me a note in Rome,
he said he's leaving me.

363
00:21:56.100 --> 00:21:58.433
The subject of divorce
came up almost every time

364
00:21:58.433 --> 00:22:00.100
We talked after that.

365
00:22:00.100 --> 00:22:02.633
Whenever Courtney
referred to divorce,

366
00:22:02.633 --> 00:22:04.567
She would usually
say something like...

367
00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:11.367
The only way that a
divorce is gonna happen is

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If I bust him for infidelity.

369
00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:15.300
Has he been unfaithful?

370
00:22:15.300 --> 00:22:18.533
Yes! Yes, I think so.

371
00:22:18.533 --> 00:22:21.333
Courtney, on several
occasions, mentioned
that she thought

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Kurt might be having an
affair with Kristen Pfaff,

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Her bass player.

374
00:22:25.967 --> 00:22:28.967
She was very jealous, and
she also felt like he might

375
00:22:28.967 --> 00:22:31.670
Be having an affair
with Caitlin.

376
00:22:31.670 --> 00:22:32.333
His drug dealer.

377
00:22:32.333 --> 00:22:34.933
If Kurt's in Seattle,
he's with her.

378
00:22:34.933 --> 00:22:37.233
She seemed to be
very jealous of anybody

379
00:22:37.233 --> 00:22:40.200
That got near Kurt, and wanted
to know every little move

380
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:42.133
That he made.

381
00:22:46.600 --> 00:22:50.967
So I planted a story
in the news yesterday,

382
00:22:50.967 --> 00:22:55.433
Saying that I had OD'ed and
that I was in the hospital,

383
00:22:55.433 --> 00:22:58.500
Thinking that Kurt would
get scared and call me.

384
00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:00.867
I dunno, it's like...

385
00:23:01.667 --> 00:23:04.933
I've got this record
coming out in a week,

386
00:23:05.667 --> 00:23:10.667
And so I know the value of this,
but I didn't think about it

387
00:23:11.167 --> 00:23:12.467
When it first happened, but

388
00:23:15.867 --> 00:23:18.800
(Laughing)

389
00:23:18.800 --> 00:23:22.267
Anyway, what do I tell this
guy from the Associated Press?

390
00:23:22.267 --> 00:23:26.670
Should I call and confirm it,
and so the story goes out,

391
00:23:26.670 --> 00:23:27.467
And say I was there?

392
00:23:27.467 --> 00:23:29.467
I tell you what, and this
is just my gut instinct

393
00:23:29.467 --> 00:23:30.667
Yeah.

394
00:23:51.700 --> 00:23:53.333
That way there's
no drugs involved

395
00:23:53.333 --> 00:23:55.670
And the sympathy goes to me.

396
00:23:58.700 --> 00:24:01.933
(Laughing) The press always
perceives me as just completely

397
00:24:01.933 --> 00:24:06.670
Tragic and fucked up
anyway, so I don't know.

398
00:24:14.733 --> 00:24:18.433
Thank you very much,
that's a lot of information,

399
00:24:18.767 --> 00:24:20.500
And we'll go do our job.

400
00:24:36.233 --> 00:24:40.233
We were already convinced
that Tom was sincere,

401
00:24:40.233 --> 00:24:41.633
That he believed
what he was saying.

402
00:24:41.633 --> 00:24:43.233
He certainly wasn't lying.

403
00:24:43.233 --> 00:24:45.900
He brought us into this
office with a safe,

404
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:49.333
Opened the safe, and there was
this trove of cassette tapes,

405
00:24:49.333 --> 00:24:51.767
Just hours and hours of tapes.

406
00:24:52.600 --> 00:24:55.100
And then he starts
playing us the tapes.

407
00:24:56.670 --> 00:24:59.700
And the facts were there.

408
00:25:11.567 --> 00:25:14.733
She's just, coming
across as very controlling

409
00:25:14.733 --> 00:25:16.633
And very angry.

410
00:25:33.533 --> 00:25:36.567
Something was going on
that was outta the ordinary,

411
00:25:36.567 --> 00:25:40.333
And there was more to this
than what I was being told.

412
00:25:40.333 --> 00:25:41.833
[Courtney] I called
Seattle Police,

413
00:25:42.633 --> 00:25:44.733
Filed a missing person's report.

414
00:25:44.733 --> 00:25:46.467
[Tom] Did they ask when
you were comin' back?

415
00:25:46.467 --> 00:25:49.300
She filed it in the
name of Wendy O'Connor,

416
00:25:49.300 --> 00:25:51.670
Kurt Cobain's mother.

417
00:25:57.167 --> 00:25:58.933
[Courtney] If I filed
it under my own name.

418
00:25:58.933 --> 00:26:01.100
So all the media that
went out after that

419
00:26:01.100 --> 00:26:03.767
That said Kurt's mother filed
a missing person's report

420
00:26:03.767 --> 00:26:05.200
Was totally false.

421
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.667
On April 4th, Kurt Cobain's
mother, Wendy O'Connor,

422
00:26:07.667 --> 00:26:10.133
Filed a missing person's
report on her son

423
00:26:10.133 --> 00:26:12.670
Because he reportedly fled a

424
00:26:12.670 --> 00:26:13.767
Quote end quote, "facility."

425
00:26:13.767 --> 00:26:16.400
She did not clarify whether
that was a drug treatment center

426
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.670
Or not, but that's what
people are speculating.

427
00:26:19.670 --> 00:26:21.433
She was worried about Kurt
because he had a shotgun

428
00:26:21.433 --> 00:26:22.667
In his possession.

429
00:26:22.667 --> 00:26:25.733
She considered him suicidal.

430
00:26:25.733 --> 00:26:27.767
[Courtney] That should
get things going, right?

431
00:26:28.133 --> 00:26:29.100
[Tom] Right.

432
00:26:29.333 --> 00:26:30.633
[Courtney] What about Caitlin?

433
00:26:30.633 --> 00:26:32.467
I know that they're together.

434
00:26:32.467 --> 00:26:33.833
[Tom] I've got someone
watching her apartment.

435
00:26:33.833 --> 00:26:35.233
He hasn't showed up.

436
00:26:35.233 --> 00:26:36.700
I wanna put someone
on your house too,

437
00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:39.600
Because sooner or later
he's gonna come home.

438
00:26:40.167 --> 00:26:42.767
[Courtney] But if
Kurt's still in Seattle,

439
00:26:42.767 --> 00:26:47.100
He's hiding out, he's not
gonna be at the house.

440
00:26:48.567 --> 00:26:52.667
He likes to stay in hotels,
fancy hotels downtown.

441
00:26:56.167 --> 00:26:58.733
He uses the name Simon Richie.

442
00:26:59.867 --> 00:27:02.633
Mm, mm, or Bill Bailey.

443
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:04.833
You should check that out.

444
00:27:06.567 --> 00:27:08.233
The next day, on
Monday, when we hadn't had

445
00:27:08.233 --> 00:27:12.700
Any success with the really
nice hotels in Seattle,

446
00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:16.667
We began calling some of
the other smaller motels,

447
00:27:16.667 --> 00:27:20.233
And we located a
motel, and there was a

448
00:27:20.233 --> 00:27:22.600
Bill Bailey registered there.

449
00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:23.800
I wanna send one of
our guys over there

450
00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:25.300
To see if it's Kurt.

451
00:27:25.300 --> 00:27:26.267
[Courtney] No no no no no
no, I don't want Kurt to know

452
00:27:26.267 --> 00:27:27.700
That I'm looking for him.

453
00:27:27.700 --> 00:27:29.670
Send somebody over there,

454
00:27:29.670 --> 00:27:31.667
Just have them watch
the hotel, okay?

455
00:27:32.300 --> 00:27:33.867
Okay.

456
00:27:36.367 --> 00:27:38.867
I dunno, 15 or
20 minutes went by.

457
00:27:38.867 --> 00:27:41.133
What do you mean
you called the hotel?

458
00:27:41.133 --> 00:27:43.200
I thought that you said that
you didn't want Kurt to...

459
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.670
[Courtney] No! I, Tom...

460
00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:49.670
Okay, listen,
if he's not there,

461
00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:50.433
Then I think we need
to set up a team

462
00:27:50.433 --> 00:27:51.733
At the Lake Washington house.

463
00:27:51.733 --> 00:27:53.200
It's a waste of time, Tom.

464
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.670
You know what, he's
not gonna be there.

465
00:27:55.670 --> 00:27:57.670
Is there a reason that
you don't want surveillance

466
00:27:57.670 --> 00:27:58.670
On your house?

467
00:27:58.670 --> 00:28:00.300
Yes, because we don't need it.

468
00:28:00.300 --> 00:28:03.200
Cali's there, he'll tell
me if Kurt shows up.

469
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:08.200
(Ominous music)

470
00:28:17.633 --> 00:28:19.900
[Tom] Earlier in the
day in a conversation,

471
00:28:19.900 --> 00:28:21.867
Courtney told me she
didn't trust Cali,

472
00:28:21.867 --> 00:28:24.333
And she said he's one of the
best liars she's ever met.

473
00:28:24.333 --> 00:28:25.933
But now, all of a
sudden, she tells me

474
00:28:25.933 --> 00:28:27.670
He won't tell anybody.

475
00:28:27.670 --> 00:28:32.670
(Ominous music)

476
00:28:36.567 --> 00:28:37.500
[Tom] I'm not as
effective for you here

477
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:38.867
As I would be up there.

478
00:28:38.867 --> 00:28:41.400
I'd like to move the entire
search up to Seattle.

479
00:28:42.467 --> 00:28:44.533
I know I got guys on the
ground there, local guys,

480
00:28:44.533 --> 00:28:48.133
And if I were there I could
move 'em along a little.

481
00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:50.967
That's fine, you can go.

482
00:28:51.467 --> 00:28:54.167
That's great, that's great.

483
00:28:54.167 --> 00:28:55.500
[Woman] Why don't you
go up there, Courtney?

484
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:57.500
[Courtney] Because I can't!

485
00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:00.670
I have business to
take care of here.

486
00:29:01.100 --> 00:29:02.400
Look, I'd appreciate it
if you didn't tell anyone

487
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.900
I was traveling up there.

488
00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:06.200
If anyone knows,
they might tell Kurt,

489
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.400
And then he could flee.

490
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.333
[Courtney] Absolutely, I
think it's a really good idea.

491
00:29:12.670 --> 00:29:14.733
Okay, I'm gonna get goin'.

492
00:29:19.333 --> 00:29:22.467
[Courtney] Save the
American icon, Tom.

493
00:29:22.467 --> 00:29:27.467
(Ominous music)

494
00:29:29.467 --> 00:29:34.467
(Rock music)

495
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.300
As I was getting
ready to fly to Seattle,

496
00:29:53.300 --> 00:29:55.800
Courtney told me
about Dylan Carlson.

497
00:29:55.800 --> 00:29:58.670
Dylan knew all the
hangouts, he knew the house

498
00:29:58.670 --> 00:29:59.633
Really well.

499
00:29:59.633 --> 00:30:02.200
Kurt's best friend
was Dylan Carlson.

500
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.167
So what are you
thinkin', is he suicidal?

501
00:30:05.167 --> 00:30:06.967
No, not at all.

502
00:30:07.933 --> 00:30:09.733
He's been under a lotta
pressure but he's been handling

503
00:30:09.733 --> 00:30:11.567
Things pretty good.

504
00:30:11.567 --> 00:30:12.933
I know he and Courtney
have been having

505
00:30:12.933 --> 00:30:15.533
A lotta troubles lately, but...

506
00:30:17.600 --> 00:30:19.467
I don't know why
Kurt married her.

507
00:30:19.467 --> 00:30:21.433
They don't get along, they
don't agree about anything,

508
00:30:21.433 --> 00:30:24.267
They're always fighting,
that type of thing.

509
00:30:24.267 --> 00:30:27.200
This thing in
Rome, did anybody say

510
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.733
That that may have been
him tryin' to kill himself?

511
00:30:29.733 --> 00:30:32.200
No, it was an accident.

512
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:33.800
Everybody knows that.

513
00:30:33.800 --> 00:30:35.900
I asked him several times
about whether Kurt was

514
00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:39.600
Suicidal or not, and it
was almost a joke to him.

515
00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:41.433
It was like, "No,
of course not."

516
00:30:41.433 --> 00:30:45.333
'Cause I'm thinkin'
if he was as suicidal

517
00:30:45.333 --> 00:30:47.867
As she says he is, why would
she let him buy a shotgun?

518
00:30:47.867 --> 00:30:49.967
He's not suicidal.

519
00:30:49.967 --> 00:30:52.400
We bought that shotgun
the day he went to rehab,

520
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.767
Been a burglary at
the house recently.

521
00:30:54.767 --> 00:30:57.133
The police had just
confiscated his other gun,

522
00:30:57.133 --> 00:30:59.433
So I registered it in my name.

523
00:31:01.833 --> 00:31:04.100
Trust me, if he was suicidal,
I would never let him

524
00:31:04.100 --> 00:31:05.933
Get a shotgun.

525
00:31:10.867 --> 00:31:13.670
Singer Courtney Love says
Cobain had first written

526
00:31:13.670 --> 00:31:15.567
A suicide note to her
which said, in part,

527
00:31:15.567 --> 00:31:19.670
"It's not fun for me anymore,
I can't live this life."

528
00:31:19.670 --> 00:31:21.167
There was a mythology
that, "Oh yeah",

529
00:31:21.167 --> 00:31:22.867
"Everybody knew he was suicidal,"

530
00:31:22.867 --> 00:31:25.133
"That was just obvious,"

531
00:31:25.133 --> 00:31:27.933
So it was no big surprise when
he finally killed himself.

532
00:31:27.933 --> 00:31:30.100
And then you go to
those closest to him,

533
00:31:30.100 --> 00:31:32.670
The people that knew him best,

534
00:31:32.670 --> 00:31:34.800
And none of them
believed he was suicidal.

535
00:31:34.800 --> 00:31:38.670
I've never heard Kurt talk
about suicide or anything,

536
00:31:38.670 --> 00:31:39.833
He always seemed
happy around me.

537
00:31:39.833 --> 00:31:42.733
Quiet, shy, but
definitely happy.

538
00:31:42.733 --> 00:31:45.600
Never hinted to me
that he was depressed.

539
00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:49.533
His music and his lyrics
portrayed a darker side

540
00:31:49.533 --> 00:31:53.500
To some of his emotions, but
I think that was glorified.

541
00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:55.767
People start to analyze
the lyrics and look at some

542
00:31:55.767 --> 00:31:57.633
Of the things that
he wrote and say,

543
00:31:57.633 --> 00:31:59.567
"Of course, look at
what he wrote here."

544
00:31:59.567 --> 00:32:02.233
"Obviously he's
talking about suicide."

545
00:32:02.233 --> 00:32:05.333
I'm tired of people
thinking, trying to put

546
00:32:05.333 --> 00:32:07.633
Too much meaning into my lyrics.

547
00:32:07.633 --> 00:32:09.670
A lotta times when I
write lyrics, which is

548
00:32:09.670 --> 00:32:12.333
At the last second
'cause I'm really lazy.

549
00:32:12.333 --> 00:32:14.267
And then I find myself
having to come up

550
00:32:14.267 --> 00:32:16.233
With explanations for it.

551
00:32:16.700 --> 00:32:20.100
There may be one or two lines
in a song here and there,

552
00:32:20.100 --> 00:32:23.433
But I swear to God,
brother, it's really not

553
00:32:23.433 --> 00:32:25.567
As much as it seems.

554
00:32:25.567 --> 00:32:27.767
The pain in his stomach,
this was a big thing

555
00:32:27.767 --> 00:32:30.633
This stomach pain that he'd
been suffering for years

556
00:32:30.633 --> 00:32:33.633
Was so severe that it made
him wanna kill himself.

557
00:32:33.633 --> 00:32:35.800
He did talk like that,
there's no question,

558
00:32:35.800 --> 00:32:39.933
And once that was
diagnosed, it was treated,

559
00:32:39.933 --> 00:32:41.100
And the pain went away.

560
00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:42.967
[Voiceover]
How's your stomach?

561
00:32:42.967 --> 00:32:44.670
Have you found anything to...

562
00:32:44.670 --> 00:32:47.670
(Sighing) It's gone.

563
00:32:47.670 --> 00:32:48.500
- [Voiceover] Yeah?
- Yeah.

564
00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:51.833
I finally have been prescribed
the right stomach medicine

565
00:32:51.833 --> 00:32:56.833
After six years of being
in constant pain, finally.

566
00:32:57.600 --> 00:33:00.800
I haven't had a stomach
problem for over a year now.

567
00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:04.967
The stomach pain and the
outlook and his disposition

568
00:33:04.967 --> 00:33:07.670
Seem to be very closely linked.

569
00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:08.733
He had given an interview
to Rolling Stone,

570
00:33:08.733 --> 00:33:11.267
Where he said he was
happier than he'd ever been.

571
00:33:11.267 --> 00:33:12.670
[Voiceover] Is this your idea?

572
00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:13.400
(Kurt burping)

573
00:33:14.633 --> 00:33:18.533
When you hear Courtney
spinning this whole

574
00:33:18.533 --> 00:33:23.533
Elaborate timeline about how
he tried to commit suicide

575
00:33:23.533 --> 00:33:25.900
Before and he was
talking about suicide

576
00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:29.600
To everybody he knew, that
just seems to be fiction.

577
00:33:30.333 --> 00:33:32.567
Rather chillingly, Love
says that three of Cobain's

578
00:33:32.567 --> 00:33:34.867
Uncles had also
committed suicide.

579
00:33:34.867 --> 00:33:37.267
She calls it the Cobain curse.

580
00:33:37.267 --> 00:33:41.100
As far as the suicide
history in the Cobain family,

581
00:33:41.100 --> 00:33:43.767
Leland Cobain's father,
he was a Monte Santo

582
00:33:43.767 --> 00:33:47.733
Police officer, and he
went into a bar one day

583
00:33:47.733 --> 00:33:48.900
And he sat at a bar stool.

584
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:50.767
This was back in 1938.

585
00:33:50.767 --> 00:33:53.433
His gun somehow dislodged
from its holster,

586
00:33:53.433 --> 00:33:56.767
Hit the ground, and
according to the report,

587
00:33:56.767 --> 00:33:59.670
He looked around in the
bar and asked if everybody

588
00:33:59.670 --> 00:34:00.933
Was okay, and then
immediately collapsed.

589
00:34:00.933 --> 00:34:03.100
He just fell dead.

590
00:34:03.767 --> 00:34:06.700
From what Leland has told
me about his brother,

591
00:34:06.700 --> 00:34:11.700
His brother was drinking
and he fell down a staircase

592
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.670
And died from
complications of that.

593
00:34:14.670 --> 00:34:15.233
Neither Kurt's great-grandpa

594
00:34:15.233 --> 00:34:18.167
Or his great-uncle
were suicides.

595
00:34:18.933 --> 00:34:20.667
One of the important
elements in the case,

596
00:34:20.667 --> 00:34:24.670
And in convincing the
world that it was suicide

597
00:34:24.670 --> 00:34:27.533
Was the so-called
"Rome suicide attempt."

598
00:34:27.533 --> 00:34:30.167
(Drumming)

599
00:34:30.167 --> 00:34:31.733
Nirvana front-man Kurt Cobain,

600
00:34:31.733 --> 00:34:33.567
Who slipped into a coma
and was hospitalized

601
00:34:33.567 --> 00:34:36.100
In Rome, Italy, at about 6AM
this morning, was in a state

602
00:34:36.100 --> 00:34:38.800
Of what his management
calls "complete collapse."

603
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.400
His condition was
apparently aggravated

604
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.670
When he consumed
champagne on top of a

605
00:34:42.670 --> 00:34:44.600
Prescription painkiller
called Rohypnol.

606
00:34:44.600 --> 00:34:47.867
At the time, the word
suicide was never used

607
00:34:47.867 --> 00:34:50.133
By the media, by
Courtney, by Kurt.

608
00:34:50.133 --> 00:34:53.367
It was portrayed as an
accidental drug overdose.

609
00:34:53.367 --> 00:34:55.467
[Voiceover] He recovered from
the coma, and his publicists

610
00:34:55.467 --> 00:34:58.333
Said the incident was an
accident, not a suicide attempt.

611
00:34:58.333 --> 00:35:02.100
As soon as Kurt died, first
interviews that Courtney gave

612
00:35:02.100 --> 00:35:04.867
She started talking about
previous suicide attempts,

613
00:35:04.867 --> 00:35:06.833
Rome was a suicide attempt.

614
00:35:06.833 --> 00:35:08.967
Courtney started telling people

615
00:35:08.967 --> 00:35:12.670
That Kurt had
swallowed 60 pills.

616
00:35:13.670 --> 00:35:14.700
You swallow 60 pills,
that's not an accident.

617
00:35:14.700 --> 00:35:16.400
That's a suicide attempt.

618
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.133
So we decided to contact
the doctor that treated Kurt

619
00:35:20.133 --> 00:35:25.133
In Rome, Doctor Galletta,
and he categorically denied

620
00:35:25.367 --> 00:35:28.533
That there were 60
pills in his stomach

621
00:35:28.533 --> 00:35:31.670
And that it was a
suicide attempt.

622
00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:34.700
At the time, Kurt and
Courtney both said it was

623
00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:37.433
An accident, and the
doctor confirmed that.

624
00:35:37.433 --> 00:35:40.233
So there's just no evidence
that he had ever tried

625
00:35:40.233 --> 00:35:41.833
To kill himself before.

626
00:35:41.833 --> 00:35:44.767
No anecdotal evidence,
nobody else close to Kurt

627
00:35:44.767 --> 00:35:47.833
Ever said that he tried
to commit suicide,

628
00:35:47.833 --> 00:35:50.767
But the world just took
Courtney's word for it.

629
00:36:26.733 --> 00:36:31.733
(Sad guitar music)

630
00:36:33.433 --> 00:36:35.767
While I was in Seattle with
Dylan and we were driving

631
00:36:35.767 --> 00:36:38.100
Around, I mentioned to
him that Courtney said

632
00:36:38.100 --> 00:36:41.670
That Kurt only stays
in the best hotels,

633
00:36:41.670 --> 00:36:43.700
And he was almost incredulous.

634
00:36:43.700 --> 00:36:45.767
He practically
laughed and he said,

635
00:36:45.767 --> 00:36:47.233
"That's ridiculous!"

636
00:36:47.233 --> 00:36:51.200
"He hates fancy hotels, he
stays in really cheap places,"

637
00:36:51.200 --> 00:36:53.700
"Mostly along the Aurora strip."

638
00:36:53.700 --> 00:36:55.800
Have you seen him or not?

639
00:36:56.633 --> 00:36:57.933
Okay, come on.

640
00:36:57.933 --> 00:37:02.933
(Eerie music)

641
00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:07.700
[Dylan] I'm gonna call
Courtney and check in.

642
00:37:07.700 --> 00:37:09.333
I dunno what's goin' on.

643
00:37:09.333 --> 00:37:12.500
Dylan told me that when
they did stay at those motels,

644
00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:14.667
They usually stayed
for two or three weeks,

645
00:37:14.667 --> 00:37:18.670
Basically living off of
Coca Cola and potato chips

646
00:37:18.670 --> 00:37:20.670
And doing their heroin.

647
00:37:27.100 --> 00:37:29.100
Courtney always wanted
to go through Dylan,

648
00:37:29.100 --> 00:37:31.500
She wanted to talk
to Dylan on the phone

649
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:34.467
And have Dylan give
me the instructions.

650
00:37:34.467 --> 00:37:37.433
Courtney's had some trouble,
she was in the hospital

651
00:37:37.433 --> 00:37:39.367
And she got arrested.

652
00:37:39.367 --> 00:37:40.833
What?

653
00:37:40.833 --> 00:37:43.800
She said that it was all a
big mistake and she's fine.

654
00:37:44.267 --> 00:37:45.700
She wants us to go back
to the house and look

655
00:37:45.700 --> 00:37:47.533
For the shotgun again.

656
00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.867
She thinks it might be
in the hidden compartment

657
00:37:49.867 --> 00:37:51.567
Of the bedroom closet.

658
00:37:51.567 --> 00:37:53.333
Hidden compartment?

659
00:37:53.333 --> 00:37:55.500
She hadn't mentioned
that to us before,

660
00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:57.833
But she said, "That's where
Kurt keeps the shotgun",

661
00:37:57.833 --> 00:38:00.300
"So if it's there, that's
where it's gonna be."

662
00:38:01.133 --> 00:38:02.633
[Tom] Let's go.

663
00:38:03.733 --> 00:38:08.733
(Ominous music)

664
00:38:19.900 --> 00:38:21.667
Remember this from last night?

665
00:38:21.667 --> 00:38:23.670
[Dylan] No.

666
00:38:23.200 --> 00:38:26.367
The note that was
apparently written by Cali

667
00:38:26.367 --> 00:38:27.800
Didn't make sense.

668
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.767
"Kurt, I can't believe you
managed to be in this house"

669
00:38:31.767 --> 00:38:33.500
"Without me noticing."

670
00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:36.567
"You're a fucking asshole
for not calling Courtney"

671
00:38:36.567 --> 00:38:39.633
"And at least letting her
know that you're okay."

672
00:38:39.633 --> 00:38:42.400
"She's in a lot of pain,
Kurt, and this morning"

673
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.433
"She had another
accident, and now she's"

674
00:38:44.433 --> 00:38:46.567
"In the hospital again."

675
00:38:47.267 --> 00:38:49.400
We looked in that little
hidden compartment.

676
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:51.367
There was no shotgun there.

677
00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:55.300
"She's your wife, she loves you,"

678
00:38:55.300 --> 00:38:57.367
"And you have a child together."

679
00:38:57.367 --> 00:39:00.500
"Get it together to at
least tell her you're okay,"

680
00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:02.400
"Or she is going to die."

681
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.167
"It's not fair, man."

682
00:39:04.167 --> 00:39:05.733
"Do something now."

683
00:39:05.733 --> 00:39:10.733
(Eerie music)

684
00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:17.600
Later when I talked to
Rosemary Carroll about it

685
00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:19.467
And I told her I was
suspicious of it,

686
00:39:19.467 --> 00:39:22.767
She jumped in right away, and
she knows Cali real well, too.

687
00:39:51.833 --> 00:39:56.833
(Eerie music)

688
00:40:15.700 --> 00:40:17.967
Dylan and I headed out
to the town of Carnation,

689
00:40:17.967 --> 00:40:19.700
Just outside of Seattle.

690
00:40:20.633 --> 00:40:22.733
Kurt and Courtney
owned two cabins there,

691
00:40:22.733 --> 00:40:24.833
And we were curious to see if
there had been any evidence

692
00:40:24.833 --> 00:40:27.000
Of Kurt being there.

693
00:40:28.670 --> 00:40:32.330
We got about halfway there
when we stopped to get gas,

694
00:40:32.330 --> 00:40:34.200
And Dylan made
another phone call.

695
00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:39.200
(Ominous music)

696
00:40:45.667 --> 00:40:47.600
[Voiceover] I got a phone
call from our electrician,

697
00:40:47.600 --> 00:40:52.500
Gary Smith, and he was doing
some security lighting.

698
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:53.933
We had a house above.

699
00:40:53.933 --> 00:40:55.767
We just knew it was a
rock star in Seattle,

700
00:40:55.767 --> 00:40:58.333
We weren't sure,
didn't know who he was.

701
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.733
He literally just
stumbled across it.

702
00:41:05.767 --> 00:41:08.670
He looked through a
doorway, a glass door,

703
00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:11.867
A locked door,
and he saw a body.

704
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:19.670
And he said, "I think
he shot himself."

705
00:41:19.670 --> 00:41:21.633
I called a radio station,
told 'em what happened.

706
00:41:21.633 --> 00:41:23.900
[Voiceover] So I answered
the call and there's a guy

707
00:41:23.900 --> 00:41:26.533
On the end of the line,
and he's goin', "I have got"

708
00:41:26.533 --> 00:41:28.800
"Some incredible news here."

709
00:41:29.733 --> 00:41:31.200
[Tom] Anything?

710
00:41:34.367 --> 00:41:36.533
A friend of mine said he
just heard they found a body

711
00:41:36.533 --> 00:41:38.700
At Kurt's house.

712
00:41:38.700 --> 00:41:40.167
[Tom] What?

713
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.533
[Voiceover] Rock
group Nirvana is dead.

714
00:41:47.533 --> 00:41:49.200
An electrician
discovered Cobain's body

715
00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:51.867
In the singer's Lake
Washington home this morning.

716
00:41:51.867 --> 00:41:54.267
The electrician tells KOMO
news that emergency crews

717
00:41:54.267 --> 00:41:56.800
Told him that the dead
man is Kurt Cobain.

718
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.267
[Tom] When I heard
that the body was found

719
00:41:58.267 --> 00:42:00.967
In a room that was called
the Greenhouse, I turned

720
00:42:00.967 --> 00:42:04.333
To Dylan and I said,
"What's the Greenhouse?"

721
00:42:04.333 --> 00:42:06.400
And he said, "It's just
a dirty little room"

722
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:07.633
"Above the garage."

723
00:42:07.633 --> 00:42:09.767
They stored lumber or
something in there.

724
00:42:09.767 --> 00:42:11.533
It sounded to me
like this was just

725
00:42:11.533 --> 00:42:13.600
Some kinda broom
closet or something.

726
00:42:13.600 --> 00:42:14.800
[Voiceover] So do you
think he intentionally

727
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.670
Did not tell you to
check that room out?

728
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:19.700
[Tom] Again, I hope the
listeners bear in mind

729
00:42:19.700 --> 00:42:21.933
We're having to skip over
an awful lotta stuff...

730
00:42:21.933 --> 00:42:26.670
(Eerie music)

731
00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:28.670
I glanced down on
the floor and I saw

732
00:42:28.670 --> 00:42:29.967
Something that looked
like a mannequin.

733
00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:34.670
I can see blood in this
ear, and long hair,

734
00:42:34.670 --> 00:42:37.633
And immediately got
a little shaken.

735
00:42:42.133 --> 00:42:44.670
The French doors were locked.

736
00:42:45.667 --> 00:42:47.967
I was first in and
right away could see

737
00:42:47.967 --> 00:42:50.200
That it was a fatality.

738
00:42:53.100 --> 00:42:55.133
The shotgun lay in his lap,
a significant pool of blood

739
00:42:55.133 --> 00:42:56.767
By his head.

740
00:42:56.767 --> 00:42:58.670
There was nothing
we could do for him,

741
00:42:58.670 --> 00:43:00.670
So we didn't touch the body.

742
00:43:01.133 --> 00:43:04.500
We'll check for mail or
somethin' with a name on it.

743
00:43:06.700 --> 00:43:08.500
The officer said, "Do
you want the name?"

744
00:43:08.500 --> 00:43:10.400
Knowing I needed
it for my log book.

745
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.367
He said, "It's
Cobain, Kurt Cobain."

746
00:43:14.167 --> 00:43:16.670
A couple of second delay
and my head snappin' around,

747
00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:19.670
I said, "You mean
the rock star?"

748
00:43:20.670 --> 00:43:22.600
[Voiceover] The developing
story shocks the music world.

749
00:43:22.600 --> 00:43:25.767
A man found dead this morning
is rock star Kurt Cobain.

750
00:43:25.767 --> 00:43:27.800
[Voiceover] Cobain's
body was found about a...

751
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.233
[Voiceover] Apparently
it was a suicide...

752
00:43:29.233 --> 00:43:34.167
(Various voiceovers
speaking simultaneously)

753
00:43:38.467 --> 00:43:39.767
[Voiceover] Was so severe
that his body could only

754
00:43:39.767 --> 00:43:41.833
Be identified by fingerprints.

755
00:43:41.833 --> 00:43:43.400
[Voiceover] Police can't
release the details found

756
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.100
In Cobain's suicide note,
but over the past couple

757
00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:49.133
Of years, Cobain has
had some tough times.

758
00:43:49.133 --> 00:43:50.867
Cobain was 27.

759
00:43:50.867 --> 00:43:54.300
He joins a growing list of
rock stars who burn bright

760
00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:56.633
Then burn out tragically.

761
00:43:57.200 --> 00:43:59.670
[Tom] When we
arrived at the property

762
00:43:59.670 --> 00:44:01.500
It was broad daylight and
the Greenhouse stuck out

763
00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:02.933
Like a sore thumb.

764
00:44:02.933 --> 00:44:05.670
You could see it from the
street above the bushes,

765
00:44:05.670 --> 00:44:06.467
It was so tall.

766
00:44:06.467 --> 00:44:10.733
I just didn't understand why
he didn't point that out to me.

767
00:44:13.133 --> 00:44:14.733
[Dylan] That's
Entertainment Tonight.

768
00:44:15.333 --> 00:44:16.767
He's Rolling Stone.

769
00:44:16.767 --> 00:44:19.100
Dylan didn't like the
press and he said Kurt didn't

770
00:44:19.100 --> 00:44:20.600
Like the press.

771
00:44:20.600 --> 00:44:22.867
[Dylan] Current Affairs;
stay away from them.

772
00:44:23.433 --> 00:44:24.567
[Officer] Ho ho ho.

773
00:44:24.567 --> 00:44:25.567
[Tom] I'm Tom
Grant, how are you?

774
00:44:25.567 --> 00:44:26.933
[Officer] Fine.

775
00:44:26.933 --> 00:44:29.333
[Tom] I was hired by
Courtney Love to investigate

776
00:44:29.333 --> 00:44:30.867
The disappearance
of her husband.

777
00:44:30.867 --> 00:44:33.600
I've got information I
think would be helpful.

778
00:44:33.600 --> 00:44:36.567
Could I speak to the
detective in charge?

779
00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:38.670
Wait here.

780
00:44:38.670 --> 00:44:43.670
(Eerie music)

781
00:44:50.567 --> 00:44:52.567
He said he's too busy
to speak with you now.

782
00:44:52.567 --> 00:44:55.567
Call the station after 3PM;
you can talk to him then.

783
00:44:55.567 --> 00:44:57.567
I was dumbfounded by that.

784
00:44:57.567 --> 00:45:00.933
If I were a police officer
investigating the dead body

785
00:45:00.933 --> 00:45:03.867
And somebody told me
there was somebody outside

786
00:45:03.867 --> 00:45:06.200
That had been in the
house the night before,

787
00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:08.167
I'd tell them, "Hold him."

788
00:45:08.167 --> 00:45:10.867
"If they say they need
to leave, handcuff 'em,"

789
00:45:10.867 --> 00:45:13.667
"And keep 'em there until we
get a chance to talk to 'em."

790
00:45:13.667 --> 00:45:15.300
You don't let
somebody like that go,

791
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:18.667
You don't take a chance until
you've fully investigated

792
00:45:18.667 --> 00:45:23.467
A case and determined
positively how this person died.

793
00:45:23.467 --> 00:45:24.900
The Seattle Police
Department claimed

794
00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:28.100
They were investigating
this as a possible homicide.

795
00:45:28.100 --> 00:45:30.500
If they were, they certainly
wouldn't allow somebody

796
00:45:30.500 --> 00:45:33.200
To leave when they'd been
in the house the night

797
00:45:33.200 --> 00:45:36.333
Before a dead body was
found on the property.

798
00:45:36.867 --> 00:45:38.670
I'm Norm Stamper.

799
00:45:38.670 --> 00:45:40.733
I was a police
officer for 34 years,

800
00:45:40.733 --> 00:45:45.733
And last six from 1994 to 2000
as Seattle's police chief.

801
00:45:45.900 --> 00:45:48.900
I wouldn't pretend that
there aren't police officers

802
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:53.100
Who are cynical and
suspicious and skeptical.

803
00:45:53.100 --> 00:45:57.100
That was the case in
the Kurt Cobain death.

804
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.670
(Eerie music)

805
00:46:03.670 --> 00:46:04.800
John F. Kennedy,
Martin Luther King,

806
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.533
Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe.

807
00:46:07.533 --> 00:46:09.867
Over the past 50 years as a

808
00:46:09.867 --> 00:46:12.167
Medical-legal forensic
pathology consultant,

809
00:46:12.167 --> 00:46:15.670
I've been involved in
thousands of cases,

810
00:46:15.670 --> 00:46:17.833
About 18,000 autopsies,
and I have reviewed,

811
00:46:17.833 --> 00:46:20.867
Signed off or
supervised, and evaluated

812
00:46:20.867 --> 00:46:23.600
About 38,000 other autopsies.

813
00:46:23.600 --> 00:46:25.600
I have personally
investigated, supervised,

814
00:46:25.600 --> 00:46:28.433
Consulted and researched
on over 8,000 homicides.

815
00:46:28.433 --> 00:46:30.900
I wrote Practical Homicide
Investigation because there was

816
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:35.433
A need for a standard protocol
to approach all death scenes.

817
00:46:35.433 --> 00:46:38.533
From the very beginning,
everything that the detectives

818
00:46:38.533 --> 00:46:42.633
Encountered indicated to
them that this was a suicide.

819
00:46:42.633 --> 00:46:47.600
The decision to rule the
case by police the same day

820
00:46:47.600 --> 00:46:49.967
And to make a public
pronouncement that this was

821
00:46:49.967 --> 00:46:54.333
A suicide is not the
way good police agencies

822
00:46:54.333 --> 00:46:55.767
Would function today.

823
00:46:55.767 --> 00:46:57.267
As a homicide commander,

824
00:46:57.267 --> 00:46:59.670
I would not be making
any proclamations

825
00:46:59.670 --> 00:47:02.300
That the case was a suicide
without the evidence

826
00:47:02.300 --> 00:47:04.300
Having been processed:
the victimology,

827
00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:06.833
The medical-legal
process, toxicology.

828
00:47:06.833 --> 00:47:08.233
It's a death investigation.

829
00:47:08.233 --> 00:47:10.700
They knew nothing
about the drug level,

830
00:47:10.700 --> 00:47:13.670
They knew nothing
about fingerprints,

831
00:47:13.670 --> 00:47:15.670
They knew nothing about
anything else at that time

832
00:47:15.670 --> 00:47:17.300
Except that they had
found him with a shotgun.

833
00:47:17.300 --> 00:47:19.700
The reason we call things
death investigations is

834
00:47:19.700 --> 00:47:21.933
That we don't wanna
prematurely make them

835
00:47:21.933 --> 00:47:24.670
Homicides, suicides
or accidents.

836
00:47:24.670 --> 00:47:25.700
It's a death investigation.

837
00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:29.600
Cases that involve
prominent figures,

838
00:47:29.600 --> 00:47:34.367
These cases usually take
more time because you know

839
00:47:34.367 --> 00:47:36.233
That there are gonna
be more questions.

840
00:47:36.233 --> 00:47:37.833
People are gonna wanna
know every single

841
00:47:37.833 --> 00:47:38.967
Thing about it.

842
00:47:38.967 --> 00:47:40.667
In the Philip
Seymour Hoffman case,

843
00:47:40.667 --> 00:47:43.200
They found him with
a needle in his arm.

844
00:47:43.200 --> 00:47:46.300
They found 50 bags
of heroin right there

845
00:47:46.300 --> 00:47:48.367
In his apartment, and
yet they did not make

846
00:47:48.367 --> 00:47:50.267
Any announcement beyond that.

847
00:47:50.267 --> 00:47:52.567
They knew that they
should not be commenting.

848
00:47:52.567 --> 00:47:55.467
Official statements as to
cause and manner of death

849
00:47:55.467 --> 00:47:58.867
Do not come from police or
even homicide detectives.

850
00:47:58.867 --> 00:48:00.567
They do not.

851
00:48:03.167 --> 00:48:05.767
I've never believed that
the police were involved

852
00:48:05.767 --> 00:48:09.167
From the beginning in
any kind of a conspiracy

853
00:48:09.167 --> 00:48:11.633
Involving Kurt Cobain's death.

854
00:48:11.633 --> 00:48:14.333
I think they were set
up by Courtney Love

855
00:48:14.333 --> 00:48:16.267
From that missing
person's report,

856
00:48:16.267 --> 00:48:18.300
And everything
that it said in it.

857
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:22.367
If my officers heard
or were made aware

858
00:48:22.367 --> 00:48:25.800
That Kurt Cobain had
left rehab, had purchased

859
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.567
A shotgun, was suicidal,
that's of course going

860
00:48:29.567 --> 00:48:30.933
To affect them.

861
00:48:30.933 --> 00:48:33.900
They, what I call assumed
the suicide position,

862
00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:36.670
Which to me means cut
corners, not do this,

863
00:48:36.670 --> 00:48:39.670
Not do that, because it's
a suicide, no problem.

864
00:48:39.670 --> 00:48:41.670
I have to admit, there's
been a lot of inconsistencies

865
00:48:41.670 --> 00:48:42.333
In this case.

866
00:48:42.333 --> 00:48:43.867
Really?

867
00:48:43.867 --> 00:48:46.200
The reports that were
coming out in the media said

868
00:48:46.200 --> 00:48:49.567
Kurt Cobain was barricaded
inside the Greenhouse.

869
00:48:49.567 --> 00:48:51.400
Look at this photograph.

870
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.433
Is that the lock
you're talking about?

871
00:48:54.133 --> 00:48:55.500
I dunno where
this picture's from,

872
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:57.467
So I couldn't say.

873
00:48:57.467 --> 00:48:59.133
Well, it's from
the Greenhouse.

874
00:48:59.133 --> 00:49:01.167
I've been over the
place inside and out,

875
00:49:01.167 --> 00:49:03.700
And trust me, that
is the only lock.

876
00:49:03.700 --> 00:49:05.670
If you say so.

877
00:49:05.900 --> 00:49:08.133
Presuming I'm
telling you the truth,

878
00:49:08.133 --> 00:49:10.400
Why would you say that
he locked himself in?

879
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.833
Because the door was locked.

880
00:49:13.833 --> 00:49:15.670
Look at the picture.

881
00:49:15.670 --> 00:49:17.670
It's not a deadbolt,
it's a twist lock.

882
00:49:17.670 --> 00:49:19.400
Anybody coulda twisted that
lock and pulled the door shut

883
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:20.667
Behind 'em when they left.

884
00:49:20.667 --> 00:49:22.367
Look, the lock doesn't matter.

885
00:49:22.367 --> 00:49:24.900
There was a stool wedged
up against the door.

886
00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:26.233
Now how do you wedge
a stool against a door

887
00:49:26.233 --> 00:49:27.700
After you've already
left the room?

888
00:49:27.700 --> 00:49:30.500
[Tom] The police reports
plainly states that the stool

889
00:49:30.500 --> 00:49:33.200
Was simply sitting in
front of the two unlocked

890
00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:36.100
French doors at the
other side of the room,

891
00:49:36.100 --> 00:49:39.670
But on one of the reports,
it was added that the stool

892
00:49:39.670 --> 00:49:41.633
Was blocking the entrance.

893
00:49:43.133 --> 00:49:44.600
Someone reported
that there was a stool

894
00:49:44.600 --> 00:49:45.633
Blocking the door.

895
00:49:45.633 --> 00:49:46.567
That wasn't the case.

896
00:49:46.567 --> 00:49:48.167
I dunno where that came from.

897
00:49:48.167 --> 00:49:49.733
If you could just
show me the photographs

898
00:49:49.733 --> 00:49:52.200
Your officer took at the
scene, we can put that issue

899
00:49:52.200 --> 00:49:53.433
To rest once and for all.

900
00:49:53.433 --> 00:49:55.600
Well the photographs
haven't been developed,

901
00:49:55.600 --> 00:49:57.667
Probably never will be.

902
00:49:57.667 --> 00:50:01.367
We don't develop
photographs on suicides.

903
00:50:02.233 --> 00:50:03.600
I have never heard of that.

904
00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:05.433
Every case I've been
involved, with the crime scene

905
00:50:05.433 --> 00:50:06.733
Photographs were developed.

906
00:50:06.733 --> 00:50:08.533
Why not release 'em
to other experts?

907
00:50:08.533 --> 00:50:10.000
I can't answer that question.

908
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.567
It was something that the
Seattle Police department did.

909
00:50:13.567 --> 00:50:16.267
In hindsight, they
probably shouldn't have.

910
00:50:16.267 --> 00:50:17.867
But that's what they did.

911
00:50:17.867 --> 00:50:20.500
Nothing you've said
convinces me this is anything

912
00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:22.333
But a suicide.

913
00:50:22.933 --> 00:50:25.467
Now do you got any
other pearls for me?

914
00:50:27.100 --> 00:50:28.600
[Tom] Not at this time.

915
00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:32.367
Detective Cameron
resigned when he learned

916
00:50:32.367 --> 00:50:34.400
I was preparing to fire him.

917
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.333
He had colluded with one
of his own detectives

918
00:50:37.333 --> 00:50:41.330
To replant evidence
that had been stolen

919
00:50:41.330 --> 00:50:45.670
By a homicide detective
at a homicide scene.

920
00:50:45.670 --> 00:50:47.670
And it was for that reason
that I was preparing

921
00:50:47.670 --> 00:50:48.700
To fire him.

922
00:50:56.233 --> 00:50:57.667
I'm just giving you
the information I have,

923
00:50:57.667 --> 00:51:00.100
I don't care what
you do with it.

924
00:51:00.467 --> 00:51:03.633
I understand that, but
I think your investigation

925
00:51:03.633 --> 00:51:06.900
Is into things that our
investigation doesn't apply to.

926
00:51:21.670 --> 00:51:23.670
You don't allow
a patrol officer

927
00:51:23.670 --> 00:51:26.670
With no homicide
investigative experience

928
00:51:26.670 --> 00:51:28.733
To determine whether a
scene is a suicide or not.

929
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.400
My opinion is, in 1994,

930
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.300
They just didn't
look at anything.

931
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:42.467
If it appeared to be a
suicide, it was a suicide.

932
00:51:42.467 --> 00:51:44.267
Case closed.

933
00:51:45.467 --> 00:51:50.467
(Somber music)

934
00:52:19.100 --> 00:52:22.167
The news media do
poison the atmosphere,

935
00:52:22.167 --> 00:52:24.333
And I have been involved
in cases in which

936
00:52:24.333 --> 00:52:28.833
It was impossible, almost,
to overcome the beliefs

937
00:52:28.833 --> 00:52:31.467
That had been created
within the community

938
00:52:31.467 --> 00:52:34.267
Because of the way in
which that particular death

939
00:52:34.267 --> 00:52:35.467
Had been reported.

940
00:52:35.467 --> 00:52:36.800
Judging by the
evidence at the scene,

941
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:38.900
Love says, Cobain
apparently drew a chair up

942
00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:41.733
To a window looking out
on Puget Sound, sat down,

943
00:52:41.733 --> 00:52:43.767
Took some more drugs,
picked up his shotgun and,

944
00:52:43.767 --> 00:52:46.433
Using his thumb, it seems,
shot himself in the head.

945
00:52:46.433 --> 00:52:48.267
The physical damage was so
severe that his body could

946
00:52:48.267 --> 00:52:50.600
Only be identified
by fingerprints.

947
00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:51.933
I was a bit surprised.

948
00:52:51.933 --> 00:52:53.567
Normally a shotgun
wound to the head,

949
00:52:53.567 --> 00:52:55.467
The ones I've seen,
are pretty devastating,

950
00:52:55.467 --> 00:52:57.933
Often making facial
features unrecognizable.

951
00:52:57.933 --> 00:53:00.867
His head was not grossly
deformed or badly damaged.

952
00:53:00.867 --> 00:53:03.100
I think I certainly
would've recognized him.

953
00:53:03.100 --> 00:53:05.670
I don't see any reason
why anyone wouldn't have,

954
00:53:05.670 --> 00:53:06.467
Who knew what he looked like.

955
00:53:06.467 --> 00:53:08.433
Seattle's own police
reports indicate

956
00:53:08.433 --> 00:53:12.133
That Officer Lavendowski
found Kurt Cobain's wallet

957
00:53:12.133 --> 00:53:14.670
Lyin' on the floor.

958
00:53:14.670 --> 00:53:17.433
He opened it up and removed
his driver's license,

959
00:53:17.433 --> 00:53:20.670
And he put it on top
of Cobain's wallet

960
00:53:20.670 --> 00:53:22.433
To take a photograph
for evidence.

961
00:53:22.433 --> 00:53:25.670
Most of the media
reported that Kurt left

962
00:53:25.670 --> 00:53:27.833
His driver's license exposed,
and a lot of 'em went

963
00:53:27.833 --> 00:53:29.467
Into a lotta detail:

964
00:53:29.467 --> 00:53:32.433
That he did that so that
everyone would recognize him.

965
00:53:32.433 --> 00:53:34.600
But it was completely false.

966
00:54:09.167 --> 00:54:11.267
Love, who, contrary to
rumor, says she and Cobain

967
00:54:11.267 --> 00:54:14.100
Hadn't broken up, says
Cobain had first written

968
00:54:14.100 --> 00:54:16.633
A suicide note to her
which said, in part,

969
00:54:16.633 --> 00:54:18.533
"It's not fun for me anymore."

970
00:54:18.533 --> 00:54:20.167
"I can't live this life."

971
00:54:20.167 --> 00:54:23.333
News media play a great
role in these matters.

972
00:54:23.333 --> 00:54:25.500
John Kennedy,
incidentally, pointed out

973
00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:28.700
The need for integrity
within the news media.

974
00:54:28.700 --> 00:54:30.200
This has been something
that was commented

975
00:54:30.200 --> 00:54:33.633
Upon going back to
our founding fathers,

976
00:54:33.633 --> 00:54:36.267
Because sometimes
pressures from news media

977
00:54:36.267 --> 00:54:39.267
Can be very, very significant.

978
00:54:39.267 --> 00:54:41.433
I don't have the
right to make an opinion

979
00:54:41.433 --> 00:54:44.300
On anything that I read
or see on television

980
00:54:44.300 --> 00:54:48.670
Until I go to the fuckin'
source myself, personally.

981
00:54:51.600 --> 00:54:54.900
The toxicology report
from Kurt Cobain's autopsy

982
00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:59.867
Indicated a heroin blood level
of 1.52 milligrams per liter.

983
00:54:59.867 --> 00:55:02.967
Five milligrams
will produce a level

984
00:55:02.967 --> 00:55:06.600
Of 0.035 milligrams.

985
00:55:06.600 --> 00:55:09.670
Most users, even heavy users,

986
00:55:09.670 --> 00:55:12.967
Only use up to 40 to 60
milligrams in one hit.

987
00:55:12.967 --> 00:55:17.333
So you can see, to reach
1.52 milligrams per liter,

988
00:55:17.333 --> 00:55:19.767
You're talking about an
amount that would have

989
00:55:19.767 --> 00:55:24.767
Certainly have exceeded 200
milligrams that were injected

990
00:55:24.867 --> 00:55:26.533
Into Kurt Cobain.

991
00:55:26.533 --> 00:55:29.533
Three times the amount that
would be considered lethal.

992
00:55:29.533 --> 00:55:32.467
I think very legitimate
questions have been raised

993
00:55:32.467 --> 00:55:34.670
About the level of heroin.

994
00:55:34.670 --> 00:55:37.733
We have not, in 18
years, found a single case

995
00:55:37.733 --> 00:55:41.633
Where somebody could
have the level of heroin

996
00:55:41.633 --> 00:55:45.967
In their body that Kurt did
and still remain conscious.

997
00:55:45.967 --> 00:55:47.333
[Voiceover] 70
times the lethal dose

998
00:55:47.333 --> 00:55:49.833
For the average person,
triple the lethal dose

999
00:55:49.833 --> 00:55:51.667
Even for the most
severe heroin addict.

1000
00:55:51.667 --> 00:55:53.100
It would have incapacitated him,

1001
00:55:53.100 --> 00:55:54.700
He would have been unconscious.

1002
00:55:54.700 --> 00:55:57.267
And then roll down
their sleeves, put
away their heroin kit,

1003
00:55:57.267 --> 00:55:59.133
Pick up the shotgun,
position it backwards

1004
00:55:59.133 --> 00:56:00.967
And pull the trigger.

1005
00:56:01.633 --> 00:56:04.233
That deals with
coordinative functions.

1006
00:56:04.233 --> 00:56:07.600
How about the emotional
aspects of this?

1007
00:56:07.600 --> 00:56:11.433
Why would he then shoot
himself before the drug

1008
00:56:11.433 --> 00:56:14.433
Has had a chance to take effect?

1009
00:56:14.500 --> 00:56:18.833
No study that I know
of has correlated use

1010
00:56:18.833 --> 00:56:21.967
Of heroin with suicide.

1011
00:56:21.967 --> 00:56:25.833
I cannot think of a case
in which I have had someone

1012
00:56:25.833 --> 00:56:29.700
Inject himself with a
large amount of heroin

1013
00:56:29.700 --> 00:56:32.200
And then proceed
to kill himself.

1014
00:56:32.200 --> 00:56:35.200
It just doesn't make sense,
and it doesn't fit in

1015
00:56:35.200 --> 00:56:38.600
With these kinds of
situations involving heroin.

1016
00:56:38.600 --> 00:56:41.533
These are questions that
I think deserve answers,

1017
00:56:41.533 --> 00:56:43.400
And in fact, require answers.

1018
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.767
Many of the questions
could be answered

1019
00:56:46.767 --> 00:56:51.670
If the medical examiner's
office would make public

1020
00:56:51.670 --> 00:56:53.670
The autopsy report.

1021
00:56:53.670 --> 00:56:56.133
I haven't been able to
see the toxicology report

1022
00:56:56.133 --> 00:57:00.100
Or the autopsy report
because I haven't had access

1023
00:57:00.100 --> 00:57:03.867
To review the actual
documentation from
the authorities.

1024
00:57:03.867 --> 00:57:06.900
The autopsy report
is public record.

1025
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:10.867
Apparently in this
jurisdiction, it is not.

1026
00:57:10.867 --> 00:57:13.867
In the case of Kurt Cobain,
they should've made them part

1027
00:57:13.867 --> 00:57:16.100
Of the release with the
Freedom of Information.

1028
00:57:16.100 --> 00:57:17.367
Why they didn't
do that, I dunno.

1029
00:57:17.367 --> 00:57:19.467
In hindsight, maybe
they should've.

1030
00:57:19.467 --> 00:57:21.833
We wouldn't be having
this discussion today.

1031
00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:27.467
There was a documentary
made about 1997, I believe,

1032
00:57:27.467 --> 00:57:29.670
Called "Kurt and Courtney."

1033
00:57:29.670 --> 00:57:31.933
I cooperated with the
producer and director of that,

1034
00:57:31.933 --> 00:57:33.533
Nick Broomfield.

1035
00:57:34.233 --> 00:57:37.670
[Voiceover] Tom Grant's
assertion that 1.52 milligrams

1036
00:57:37.670 --> 00:57:40.670
Of heroin per liter of blood
would have incapacitated

1037
00:57:40.670 --> 00:57:43.567
Kurt were discounted
by Doctor Colin Brewer,

1038
00:57:43.567 --> 00:57:46.633
Formerly director at
Westminster Hospital.

1039
00:57:46.633 --> 00:57:49.567
He gave us this color slide
of a patient balancing easily

1040
00:57:49.567 --> 00:57:52.670
On one leg, who had
taken the equivalent

1041
00:57:52.670 --> 00:57:55.670
Of over twice the
amount taken by Kurt.

1042
00:57:55.670 --> 00:57:58.167
The problem is that this
man had taken methadone,

1043
00:57:58.167 --> 00:58:02.670
Not heroin, and he had
swallowed the methadone.

1044
00:58:02.670 --> 00:58:04.733
Methadone is a
pain medication.

1045
00:58:04.733 --> 00:58:07.267
It's also used to
treat heroin addiction,

1046
00:58:07.267 --> 00:58:10.733
And because it's taken orally,
it 's absorbed much slower.

1047
00:58:10.733 --> 00:58:13.933
It takes time to get into
the blood, so it can take

1048
00:58:13.933 --> 00:58:16.400
Up to an hour or perhaps
two before it reaches

1049
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.233
Its highest concentrations.

1050
00:58:19.233 --> 00:58:23.133
Heroin, on the other hand,
injected directly into the vein,

1051
00:58:23.133 --> 00:58:26.267
Is immediately available
to circulation,

1052
00:58:26.267 --> 00:58:28.233
Immediately available
to the brain.

1053
00:58:28.233 --> 00:58:33.200
Comparing oral methadone
to intravenous heroin.

1054
00:58:33.767 --> 00:58:37.670
What's the trade expression,
apples and oranges?

1055
00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:38.833
It's much worse than
apples and oranges.

1056
00:58:38.833 --> 00:58:41.700
It might be peaches and
asparagus that you're comparing.

1057
00:58:41.700 --> 00:58:44.600
I'm surely amazed that a
competent forensic scientist

1058
00:58:44.600 --> 00:58:47.833
Would have made that
kind of comparison.

1059
00:58:47.833 --> 00:58:52.833
(Eerie music)

1060
00:58:53.533 --> 00:58:55.100
[Voiceover] Seattle
police reports indicate

1061
00:58:55.100 --> 00:58:59.670
That Kurt Cobain was found
with a shotgun upside down,

1062
00:58:59.670 --> 00:59:01.670
With his left hand
grasping the barrel

1063
00:59:01.670 --> 00:59:04.233
In a vise-like grip, known
as a cadaveric spasm.

1064
00:59:05.233 --> 00:59:08.670
Cadaveric spasm is a form
of muscular stiffening

1065
00:59:08.670 --> 00:59:10.467
That only occurs in death.

1066
00:59:10.467 --> 00:59:14.133
This occurrence is indispensable
to forensic investigation,

1067
00:59:14.133 --> 00:59:17.633
As it clearly shows the precise
orientation of the deceased

1068
00:59:17.633 --> 00:59:20.133
At the exact moment of death;

1069
00:59:20.133 --> 00:59:22.167
In this case, Cobain's left hand

1070
00:59:22.167 --> 00:59:25.667
Gripping the barrel upside
down, as he was found.

1071
00:59:25.667 --> 00:59:27.133
(Camera shutter)

1072
00:59:27.133 --> 00:59:29.867
This all seemed straightforward,
until you take into account

1073
00:59:29.867 --> 00:59:33.200
The shotgun shell was found
to Cobain's left side,

1074
00:59:33.200 --> 00:59:36.670
Opposite of where we'd
expect to find the shell:

1075
00:59:36.670 --> 00:59:39.670
On Cobain's right side.

1076
00:59:39.670 --> 00:59:42.433
The exit chamber is clearly
on Cobain's right side

1077
00:59:42.433 --> 00:59:45.400
If it was fired upside
down, as it was found,

1078
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.167
And as the cadaveric
spasm confirms

1079
00:59:49.167 --> 00:59:51.800
Seattle P.D. explained
the illogical trajectory

1080
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.467
Of the shotgun shell by
concluding that the shotgun

1081
00:59:54.467 --> 00:59:57.670
Was fired right
side up by Cobain,

1082
00:59:57.670 --> 01:00:00.167
The shotgun flipped upside
down, expelling the shell

1083
01:00:00.167 --> 01:00:02.867
To his left, to finally
rest in the position

1084
01:00:02.867 --> 01:00:04.500
That it was found.

1085
01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:07.467
This proposed scenario
is impossible, not only

1086
01:00:07.467 --> 01:00:10.767
Because shotguns do not
flip upside down when fired;

1087
01:00:10.767 --> 01:00:13.133
It completely ignores
the cadaveric spasm

1088
01:00:13.133 --> 01:00:16.800
That locks the grip, dictating
the precise orientation

1089
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:18.967
Of the shotgun when fired.

1090
01:00:18.967 --> 01:00:22.400
In order for the scenario the
Seattle police stated occurred

1091
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.000
Cobain's wrist would
have to bend at an angle

1092
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:28.330
That is anatomically impossible.

1093
01:00:28.330 --> 01:00:31.433
The cadaveric spasm shows
the precise orientation

1094
01:00:31.433 --> 01:00:34.933
Of Cobain's hand at the
exact moment of death.

1095
01:00:34.933 --> 01:00:37.800
The only way that the shell
could end up in the opposite

1096
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:41.433
Side of the room is if,
when the shell was expelled,

1097
01:00:41.433 --> 01:00:44.000
Hit an obstruction on
Cobain's right side

1098
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.800
And ricocheted to Cobain's left
side, to land on the jacket.

1099
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:52.000
The crime scene clearly shows
there was no such obstruction,

1100
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.433
Which then puts into question
if Cobain truly was alone

1101
01:00:55.433 --> 01:00:58.767
In the Greenhouse when
the trigger was pulled.

1102
01:00:59.567 --> 01:01:02.670
[Rosemary] Kurt
was not suicidal.

1103
01:01:02.567 --> 01:01:03.900
Have you been watchin' TV?

1104
01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:05.670
Readin' the paper?

1105
01:01:05.670 --> 01:01:06.500
They're all saying
that he's been suicidal

1106
01:01:06.500 --> 01:01:08.467
For a long time, and Courtney
said that this overdose,

1107
01:01:08.467 --> 01:01:09.800
The one that was
in Rome, she said

1108
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.233
That was a suicide attempt.

1109
01:01:11.233 --> 01:01:12.533
That's not true.

1110
01:01:12.533 --> 01:01:14.533
It was Rosemary
Carroll's involvement

1111
01:01:14.533 --> 01:01:17.300
That really pushed me
forward, because if somebody

1112
01:01:17.300 --> 01:01:20.833
In Rosemary Carroll's
position was telling me

1113
01:01:20.833 --> 01:01:23.200
The things she was telling me,

1114
01:01:23.200 --> 01:01:27.167
Then I wasn't off
base, I wasn't crazy,

1115
01:01:27.167 --> 01:01:28.667
I wasn't a lunatic.

1116
01:01:28.667 --> 01:01:30.200
She called me a
couple of weeks ago,

1117
01:01:30.200 --> 01:01:32.600
Said Kurt was leaving her and
asked me to find the meanest,

1118
01:01:32.600 --> 01:01:35.133
Most vicious divorce
lawyer I could find.

1119
01:01:35.133 --> 01:01:36.333
She even asked me
if there was any way

1120
01:01:36.333 --> 01:01:37.633
To avoid their prenup.

1121
01:01:37.633 --> 01:01:39.100
And she said about
that same time,

1122
01:01:39.100 --> 01:01:41.867
Kurt had called her also
and asked her if she could

1123
01:01:41.867 --> 01:01:44.433
Have Courtney's name
taken outta the will.

1124
01:01:44.433 --> 01:01:49.433
(Eerie music)

1125
01:02:00.300 --> 01:02:02.367
Does it seem strange
that Courtney didn't go

1126
01:02:02.367 --> 01:02:04.633
Up to Seattle, not even
once, to look for him?

1127
01:02:04.633 --> 01:02:06.433
Absolutely.

1128
01:02:07.167 --> 01:02:09.167
When I offered to go up,
she said she couldn't go

1129
01:02:09.167 --> 01:02:12.200
With me because she had some
business down here in L.A.

1130
01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:14.433
She didn't have
any business in L.A.

1131
01:02:14.933 --> 01:02:17.167
What I don't understand
is how you didn't see him

1132
01:02:17.167 --> 01:02:19.133
In the Greenhouse the
first night you were there.

1133
01:02:19.133 --> 01:02:20.600
Wait a minute, I didn't
even know the Greenhouse

1134
01:02:20.600 --> 01:02:22.833
Existed until the day I
heard it on the radio.

1135
01:02:22.833 --> 01:02:24.833
But Courtney told
Dylan to check it.

1136
01:02:24.833 --> 01:02:26.667
When he called Courtney at
my house Wednesday night,

1137
01:02:26.667 --> 01:02:30.670
I heard her tell him to
check the Greenhouse.

1138
01:02:39.670 --> 01:02:42.500
A lotta people mock him
for being at the house,

1139
01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:44.333
On the case, looking for Kurt.

1140
01:02:44.333 --> 01:02:47.500
Kurt was lying dead 20 feet
away and he never found him.

1141
01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:51.400
What does that say about
his abilities as a P.I?

1142
01:02:52.233 --> 01:02:54.433
I went back on a rainy night.

1143
01:02:54.433 --> 01:02:57.467
He claims it was dark and
just didn't know it was there.

1144
01:02:57.467 --> 01:02:59.767
Nobody told him, Dylan
certainly didn't tell him.

1145
01:02:59.767 --> 01:03:02.670
Dylan must have known
that it was there.

1146
01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:03.800
[Tom] Is there anywhere else?

1147
01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:05.167
No.

1148
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.133
[Max] So I went and tested
that, and sure enough,

1149
01:03:08.133 --> 01:03:10.670
You really couldn't see
it if you weren't looking

1150
01:03:10.670 --> 01:03:11.267
For it specifically.

1151
01:03:11.267 --> 01:03:16.267
(Eerie music)

1152
01:03:28.300 --> 01:03:30.367
I asked Courtney to see the
note when I was in Seattle,

1153
01:03:30.367 --> 01:03:31.867
And she refused.

1154
01:03:31.867 --> 01:03:33.833
Courtney apparently
had let Danny Goldberg,

1155
01:03:33.833 --> 01:03:36.400
Her husband, see the
note, but she wouldn't let

1156
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:39.200
Rosemary see it, so
that mystified her too

1157
01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:40.867
And made her more suspicious.

1158
01:03:40.867 --> 01:03:43.833
And it made me more
suspicious, too.

1159
01:03:43.833 --> 01:03:47.670
To hear Courtney's own lawyer,

1160
01:03:47.670 --> 01:03:49.733
Kurt and Courtney's
entertainment lawyer,
Rosemary Carroll,

1161
01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:53.670
The godmother of Frances Bean,

1162
01:03:53.700 --> 01:03:57.367
Somebody that knew them
better than almost anybody,

1163
01:03:58.200 --> 01:04:01.200
Telling Tom that

1164
01:04:02.670 --> 01:04:04.967
They were in the
middle of a divorce,

1165
01:04:04.967 --> 01:04:07.533
That Kurt was drawing
up a new will,

1166
01:04:08.633 --> 01:04:11.670
And most importantly,
I think the tape

1167
01:04:11.670 --> 01:04:14.600
That really had me reeling,

1168
01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:20.433
Was hearing Rosemary Carroll
looking at the suicide note

1169
01:04:20.433 --> 01:04:22.800
And immediately concluding
that it's a forgery.

1170
01:05:03.100 --> 01:05:05.500
I believe Courtney never
thought the public was gonna

1171
01:05:05.500 --> 01:05:07.400
Ever see that note.

1172
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:09.933
If I hadn't have tricked her
out of a copy of the note,

1173
01:05:09.933 --> 01:05:11.767
They wouldn't have seen it.

1174
01:05:12.567 --> 01:05:14.367
I heard you read the
note on TV the other day

1175
01:05:14.367 --> 01:05:16.967
And I'm just a little
confused about something.

1176
01:05:17.767 --> 01:05:21.233
It sounded like the note
said, "I'm lying on the bed."

1177
01:05:21.233 --> 01:05:23.967
If Kurt was lying in the
bed when he wrote the note,

1178
01:05:23.967 --> 01:05:26.700
Why was the bed so neat when
I came here the other night?

1179
01:05:26.700 --> 01:05:29.670
It looked like nobody
had been on the bed.

1180
01:05:29.670 --> 01:05:32.670
I was lying on the bed,
recording the message

1181
01:05:32.670 --> 01:05:33.833
For Kurt's fans.

1182
01:05:33.833 --> 01:05:35.600
Are you sure
that's what you said?

1183
01:05:35.600 --> 01:05:39.100
Because I was under the
impression that Kurt was lying

1184
01:05:39.100 --> 01:05:40.233
On the bed.

1185
01:05:40.233 --> 01:05:42.733
Look, I'll show you, okay?

1186
01:05:44.233 --> 01:05:48.800
It's just a copy, but the
cops have the original.

1187
01:05:50.900 --> 01:05:55.200
I can't read this
without my glasses.

1188
01:05:55.200 --> 01:05:56.967
I'm gonna take it down, make
a copy in the fax machine.

1189
01:05:56.967 --> 01:05:58.600
I'll read it later.

1190
01:06:00.200 --> 01:06:02.433
Yeah, sure.

1191
01:06:14.867 --> 01:06:17.700
[Rosemary] That I never
thought to look at at all,

1192
01:06:17.700 --> 01:06:20.667
Quite honestly,
until last night.

1193
01:06:20.667 --> 01:06:22.633
She left it after she
came over to my house,

1194
01:06:22.633 --> 01:06:24.100
The night of the 6th.

1195
01:06:24.100 --> 01:06:26.800
Rosemary Carroll was working
with me behind the scenes,

1196
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.733
Privately, giving
me information.

1197
01:06:29.733 --> 01:06:32.400
She did it out of
a good conscience.

1198
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:33.667
[Rosemary] What do
you think that is?

1199
01:06:57.467 --> 01:07:02.467
(Eerie music)

1200
01:08:11.670 --> 01:08:14.667
[Courtney] (Indistinct)
conference on your phone,

1201
01:08:14.667 --> 01:08:16.700
And that way you could...

1202
01:08:16.700 --> 01:08:18.100
[Tom] You've promised
me things before,

1203
01:08:18.100 --> 01:08:20.670
And it didn't come through.

1204
01:08:21.533 --> 01:08:23.800
Almost immediately
after Kurt Cobain's death

1205
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:26.633
Was announced in the
media, this phenomenon

1206
01:08:26.633 --> 01:08:29.467
Of copycat suicides began.

1207
01:08:29.467 --> 01:08:31.733
Kids started killing themselves:

1208
01:08:31.733 --> 01:08:34.500
Kurt Cobain fans, Nirvana fans.

1209
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:37.670
This was happening
all around the world.

1210
01:08:37.670 --> 01:08:41.467
Now I'm a dad
myself, and it's just,

1211
01:08:42.933 --> 01:08:44.100
Absolutely breaks my heart.

1212
01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:45.900
I talk to a lotta the families.

1213
01:08:46.633 --> 01:08:50.467
When you read their suicide
notes and read their journals,

1214
01:08:50.467 --> 01:08:54.233
It really drove
home the importance

1215
01:08:55.333 --> 01:08:57.333
Of Kurt on this generation.

1216
01:08:58.670 --> 01:09:01.800
The thought of losing
a child is just horrific.

1217
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.100
I was relieved that I was
gonna go forward with this,

1218
01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:07.167
Because I thought,
"Maybe it'll help stop"

1219
01:09:07.167 --> 01:09:09.167
"Some of these
copycat suicides."

1220
01:09:09.167 --> 01:09:14.167
(Sad music)

1221
01:09:33.767 --> 01:09:35.300
[Tom] That would help
too, to be analyzed.

1222
01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:38.867
We could determine whether
Kurt wrote that whole thing.

1223
01:09:39.700 --> 01:09:42.300
The fact that the
handwriting looks,

1224
01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:45.500
To my untrained eye,
different at the bottom

1225
01:09:45.500 --> 01:09:48.133
Of that note than it
does during the body

1226
01:09:48.133 --> 01:09:50.533
It certainly does suggest
that putting that note

1227
01:09:50.533 --> 01:09:53.533
In the hands of a questioned
documents examiner,

1228
01:09:53.533 --> 01:09:57.700
Somebody who really understands
a lot more than we do

1229
01:09:57.700 --> 01:10:00.167
As cops, that would
be a good idea.

1230
01:10:00.167 --> 01:10:03.100
A forensic document
examiner examines documents

1231
01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:05.700
For the purposes
of authenticity.

1232
01:10:05.700 --> 01:10:08.633
I examined a handwriting
sample that was found

1233
01:10:08.633 --> 01:10:12.500
In Courtney Love's backpack,
and it was a practice sheet

1234
01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:15.833
Of different letters,
the alphabet.

1235
01:10:15.833 --> 01:10:20.500
I examined that in comparison
to the suicide note.

1236
01:10:20.500 --> 01:10:23.133
What I did find interesting
about the practice sheet is

1237
01:10:23.133 --> 01:10:26.300
That it did have
letter combinations
and specific letters

1238
01:10:26.300 --> 01:10:31.300
That are found in the bottom
portion of the suicide note.

1239
01:10:31.367 --> 01:10:34.933
It is possible that somebody
else with some skill

1240
01:10:34.933 --> 01:10:38.400
Could indeed
imitate his writing,

1241
01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:40.900
Especially those last few lines.

1242
01:10:43.500 --> 01:10:46.533
One of the, perhaps
surprising, characteristics

1243
01:10:46.533 --> 01:10:51.670
Of this note is that the
largest section of the note,

1244
01:10:51.670 --> 01:10:54.333
Or the initial part, talks so
much about his relationship

1245
01:10:54.333 --> 01:10:58.433
To music, and it's only the
very small part of the note,

1246
01:10:58.433 --> 01:11:02.467
The last four lines, that
talks about his relationship

1247
01:11:02.467 --> 01:11:04.100
To his family.

1248
01:11:04.900 --> 01:11:07.733
But there's another
linguistically interesting thing

1249
01:11:07.733 --> 01:11:12.733
About the second or final
four lines of the note,

1250
01:11:13.433 --> 01:11:18.433
And that is that that is what
most of us would consider

1251
01:11:19.670 --> 01:11:21.733
A stereotypical suicide note.

1252
01:11:22.133 --> 01:11:25.667
"I love you, someone will
be better off without me,"

1253
01:11:25.667 --> 01:11:27.467
"Keep moving forward."

1254
01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:32.167
Those are the kinds of
things we expect to find

1255
01:11:32.167 --> 01:11:36.500
In suicide notes,
or even in overkill,

1256
01:11:36.500 --> 01:11:40.967
To make it very stereotypical
so that people couldn't miss

1257
01:11:40.967 --> 01:11:42.670
What it was.

1258
01:11:42.670 --> 01:11:47.670
(Eerie music)

1259
01:11:48.567 --> 01:11:51.133
There are a lotta questions
I have for Dylan and Cali,

1260
01:11:51.133 --> 01:11:53.533
Especially Cali, who spent
more time here at the house

1261
01:11:53.533 --> 01:11:55.967
Than anybody last week.

1262
01:11:57.433 --> 01:12:00.533
Cali is, he just
left for rehab.

1263
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.400
He's in El Paso, or

1264
01:12:04.567 --> 01:12:06.767
Georgia, I think.

1265
01:12:08.500 --> 01:12:11.967
No no no, he's in
L.A. with friends.

1266
01:12:15.900 --> 01:12:17.700
I'll get Dylan over here.

1267
01:12:18.767 --> 01:12:21.833
After probably a half an
hour or so, I walked out

1268
01:12:21.833 --> 01:12:24.967
And I asked, "Is Dylan here yet?"

1269
01:12:24.967 --> 01:12:27.667
"I haven't seen him," and I
just assumed that somebody

1270
01:12:27.667 --> 01:12:29.767
Would let me know
when he showed up.

1271
01:12:29.767 --> 01:12:32.333
They said, "Yeah, he's
upstairs with Courtney,"

1272
01:12:32.333 --> 01:12:33.700
Which I thought was strange.

1273
01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:35.233
He was supposed to be
coming in the house to talk

1274
01:12:35.233 --> 01:12:39.433
To me, not go upstairs and do
a pre-interview with Courtney.

1275
01:12:40.670 --> 01:12:41.500
So there's just been a
couple things that have been

1276
01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:44.100
Eating at me in the last few
weeks, and I wanted to sit here

1277
01:12:44.100 --> 01:12:46.267
And I wanted to talk
to you about them.

1278
01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:50.567
Did you just shoot up?

1279
01:12:51.233 --> 01:12:52.467
[Dylan] Hm?

1280
01:12:53.670 --> 01:12:54.633
[Tom] Did you just shoot up?

1281
01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:57.300
Yeah.

1282
01:12:57.300 --> 01:12:58.367
[Tom] What?

1283
01:12:58.367 --> 01:12:59.867
Yes.

1284
01:12:59.867 --> 01:13:01.367
Why did you do that?

1285
01:13:01.367 --> 01:13:02.267
I told you I was coming
up here, I told you we had

1286
01:13:02.267 --> 01:13:04.100
To have this conversation.

1287
01:13:04.900 --> 01:13:05.433
Dylan.

1288
01:13:05.433 --> 01:13:06.900
Hm?

1289
01:13:06.900 --> 01:13:09.100
[Tom] I told you we had
to have this conversation.

1290
01:13:09.833 --> 01:13:10.867
I'm ready.

1291
01:13:10.867 --> 01:13:12.670
[Tom] You're ready?

1292
01:13:12.670 --> 01:13:13.267
- Mm hmm.
- [Tom] You're not ready.

1293
01:13:13.267 --> 01:13:14.633
[Tom] I felt, "Why
would Courtney do this?"

1294
01:13:14.633 --> 01:13:17.300
She knew I had some serious
questions to ask him,

1295
01:13:17.300 --> 01:13:20.400
And she's sending him down
to me in a drugged state

1296
01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:23.133
Of mind, where he
could hardly talk?

1297
01:13:23.133 --> 01:13:25.300
You check the front
door or the back?

1298
01:13:25.300 --> 01:13:27.100
Did you check the front
door or the back door?

1299
01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:27.867
Yeah.

1300
01:13:27.867 --> 01:13:28.933
[Tom] Which door?

1301
01:13:28.933 --> 01:13:30.200
Both.

1302
01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:31.200
[Tom] Both doors. Did
you check the side door?

1303
01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:32.367
No.

1304
01:13:32.367 --> 01:13:33.367
[Tom] You didn't
go to the side door?

1305
01:13:33.367 --> 01:13:34.600
I don't remember.

1306
01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:35.533
[Tom] You don't remember.

1307
01:13:35.533 --> 01:13:37.167
Did you go to the Greenhouse?

1308
01:13:37.167 --> 01:13:38.333
[Dylan] No.

1309
01:13:38.333 --> 01:13:39.700
You didn't go
to the Greenhouse?

1310
01:13:39.700 --> 01:13:42.733
Dylan, Dylan, I
wanna talk about...

1311
01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:46.333
I wanna talk about
the Greenhouse.

1312
01:13:48.933 --> 01:13:50.200
Dylan.

1313
01:13:50.867 --> 01:13:52.267
Dylan was a heroin addict,

1314
01:13:52.267 --> 01:13:54.933
And he needed a
source for heroin.

1315
01:13:54.933 --> 01:13:59.267
Once Kurt Cobain was dead, his
source became Courtney Love.

1316
01:13:59.267 --> 01:14:01.967
His loyalty became
Courtney Love.

1317
01:14:02.967 --> 01:14:04.200
He was very dependent on her.

1318
01:14:04.200 --> 01:14:06.567
We've since learned
that she paid his rent

1319
01:14:06.567 --> 01:14:09.670
For many, many years,
supplied the money

1320
01:14:09.670 --> 01:14:12.567
For his heroin, and almost
everybody around Kurt.

1321
01:14:12.567 --> 01:14:13.867
They were dependent on Courtney,

1322
01:14:13.867 --> 01:14:15.767
They were dependent
on Courtney's money.

1323
01:14:19.400 --> 01:14:22.767
It's a waste of
time, waste of time.

1324
01:14:31.133 --> 01:14:34.133
I felt it was my duty
to notify my client

1325
01:14:34.133 --> 01:14:36.500
That I was starting to
dig into some directions

1326
01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:39.533
That she may not want
me to be looking into,

1327
01:14:39.533 --> 01:14:42.233
But I was determined
to do it and I thought

1328
01:14:42.233 --> 01:14:45.900
That she deserved to know
that I was going to do this.

1329
01:14:47.900 --> 01:14:50.533
She got the message,
I'm sure, from that.

1330
01:14:50.533 --> 01:14:52.967
I was insinuating
that I suspected her

1331
01:14:52.967 --> 01:14:54.833
Of being involved in this.

1332
01:14:55.667 --> 01:14:57.667
A few days after
that letter was sent,

1333
01:14:57.667 --> 01:14:59.867
I got a phone call
from Courtney.

1334
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.167
She wasn't livid, she
wasn't even angry.

1335
01:15:03.167 --> 01:15:05.400
She didn't mention
the letter, in fact.

1336
01:15:05.400 --> 01:15:08.900
I basically said I'm going to
continue with my investigation

1337
01:15:08.900 --> 01:15:11.633
With or without
your cooperation.

1338
01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:53.633
Here's all you have
to do to bring this

1339
01:15:53.633 --> 01:15:55.767
To a quick end and solve
all of your problems.

1340
01:16:34.467 --> 01:16:39.467
(Ominous music)

1341
01:17:13.700 --> 01:17:18.633
(Eerie music)

1342
01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:27.600
(Sad guitar music)

1343
01:18:03.667 --> 01:18:05.833
Yes, hi, I'm looking for Kurt.

1344
01:18:07.400 --> 01:18:08.533
Hello?

1345
01:18:08.533 --> 01:18:13.533
(Sad guitar music)

1346
01:18:23.233 --> 01:18:24.700
Hello?

1347
01:18:26.233 --> 01:18:27.800
Yes, hi. Someone's gonna get
really fucked up over there

1348
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:29.467
If I don't talk to Kurt.

1349
01:18:31.833 --> 01:18:34.300
Hi, this is Julie Bernstein.

1350
01:18:34.300 --> 01:18:36.867
I really need to speak
to my client Kurt.

1351
01:18:36.867 --> 01:18:38.233
Get him on the fucking phone!

1352
01:18:38.233 --> 01:18:43.200
(Sad guitar music)

1353
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:54.167
Yes, yeah, thank you.

1354
01:18:54.167 --> 01:18:55.767
No, no problem.

1355
01:18:56.533 --> 01:18:57.933
Yeah, Delta's fine.

1356
01:18:57.933 --> 01:19:02.933
(Sad guitar music)

1357
01:20:49.967 --> 01:20:54.967
(Eerie music)

1358
01:21:11.670 --> 01:21:12.933
[Voiceover] with the 20th
anniversary approaching,

1359
01:21:12.933 --> 01:21:15.833
Detective Mike Ciesynski
re-examined the case files

1360
01:21:15.833 --> 01:21:18.900
Of an assignment early
in his fledgling career,

1361
01:21:18.900 --> 01:21:22.333
The investigation into
the death of Kurt Cobain.

1362
01:21:22.700 --> 01:21:24.733
You can never really
realize what type

1363
01:21:24.733 --> 01:21:26.867
Of conspiracy theorists
are gonna come out

1364
01:21:26.867 --> 01:21:28.300
Of the woodwork.

1365
01:21:28.300 --> 01:21:31.933
The amount of heroin that
he injected was 10 times

1366
01:21:31.933 --> 01:21:35.600
What, normally,
anybody would've taken,

1367
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:37.400
Even a heavy heroin user.

1368
01:21:37.400 --> 01:21:41.967
I believe he gave himself a
fatal dose of black tar heroin.

1369
01:21:42.833 --> 01:21:47.833
(Eerie music)

1370
01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:53.933
[Voiceover] Detective Mike
Ciesynski found four rolls

1371
01:21:53.933 --> 01:21:56.733
Of undeveloped
crime scene photos.

1372
01:21:56.733 --> 01:21:59.670
Two of those photos
were released,

1373
01:21:59.670 --> 01:22:01.367
Taken the day his
body was found.

1374
01:22:01.367 --> 01:22:04.567
In hindsight, I think I
would've developed the film.

1375
01:22:04.567 --> 01:22:05.967
[Voiceover] Did you
find anything different

1376
01:22:05.967 --> 01:22:08.367
That made you believe
it's anything but suicide?

1377
01:22:08.367 --> 01:22:09.767
No, nothing.

1378
01:22:09.767 --> 01:22:12.133
What are people gonna
gain from seeing pictures

1379
01:22:12.133 --> 01:22:13.333
Of Kurt Cobain?

1380
01:22:13.333 --> 01:22:15.233
How is that gonna
benefit anybody?

1381
01:22:15.233 --> 01:22:18.200
It wasn't gonna change
my decision that
this was a suicide,

1382
01:22:18.200 --> 01:22:20.667
And actually I'm the one who
makes the decision finally,

1383
01:22:20.667 --> 01:22:22.670
Do we go forward or not.

1384
01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:25.400
There is never one item
that I said definitely

1385
01:22:25.400 --> 01:22:27.767
That this actually
was suicide, but um...

1386
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:47.300
Any re-examination
should not even be actively

1387
01:22:47.300 --> 01:22:50.800
Participated in by the
Seattle Police Department.

1388
01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:54.533
To expect them to conduct
an objective, detached,

1389
01:22:54.533 --> 01:22:57.300
Unbiased investigation,
come back 20 years later

1390
01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:59.833
And say, "Hey man, we blew it?"

1391
01:22:59.833 --> 01:23:03.800
It flies in the face
of common sense.

1392
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:07.900
The Kurt Cobain death
demands a re-opening

1393
01:23:07.900 --> 01:23:12.467
By an objective set of experts,
and until that is done,

1394
01:23:12.467 --> 01:23:15.433
Then one cannot feel
comfortable in saying

1395
01:23:15.433 --> 01:23:20.333
That Kurt Cobain's death
was a clear-cut suicide.

1396
01:23:23.200 --> 01:23:27.233
(Eerie music)
(Rain)

1397
01:23:27.233 --> 01:23:29.333
For me, the most
compelling piece of evidence

1398
01:23:29.333 --> 01:23:33.670
That convinces me,
almost to a certainty,

1399
01:23:33.670 --> 01:23:36.100
That Kurt was murdered, was the
level of heroin in his body.

1400
01:23:37.667 --> 01:23:40.333
There's never been a
documented case in the history

1401
01:23:40.333 --> 01:23:43.367
Of law enforcement where
somebody could have

1402
01:23:43.367 --> 01:23:47.100
The level of heroin in
their body that Kurt did,

1403
01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:51.833
Still remain conscious,
and still led to a suicide.

1404
01:23:53.467 --> 01:23:56.367
We talked to an FBI
expert, and he said,

1405
01:23:56.367 --> 01:23:58.667
"If you wanna get
away with murder,"

1406
01:23:59.333 --> 01:24:01.167
"You kill a junkie."

1407
01:24:01.167 --> 01:24:06.167
It's very easy to
make a murder look

1408
01:24:06.233 --> 01:24:09.400
Look like an accidental
overdose or a suicide.

1409
01:24:10.670 --> 01:24:14.467
It's the perfect crime, and
it happens all the time.

1410
01:24:16.670 --> 01:24:20.700
We know that Kurt and Courtney
had a prenuptial agreement.

1411
01:24:21.533 --> 01:24:23.467
They were in the process
of getting a divorce.

1412
01:24:23.467 --> 01:24:26.670
This was confirmed,
they were divorcing.

1413
01:24:26.670 --> 01:24:27.867
He was leaving her.

1414
01:24:28.467 --> 01:24:30.467
If the divorce had gone through,

1415
01:24:31.100 --> 01:24:34.267
She would've received
a very small settlement

1416
01:24:34.267 --> 01:24:36.633
As a result of the
prenuptial agreement.

1417
01:24:37.133 --> 01:24:41.670
When he died, she
co-inherited an estate worth

1418
01:24:41.670 --> 01:24:44.233
Possibly more than a billion
dollars in future royalties.

1419
01:24:45.670 --> 01:24:47.433
Police immediately
look at motive.

1420
01:24:47.433 --> 01:24:48.900
Here's the motive.

1421
01:24:51.433 --> 01:24:54.667
No matter what anybody
believes, this happened

1422
01:24:54.667 --> 01:24:58.533
Far too quickly for the kinds
of things to be accomplished

1423
01:24:58.533 --> 01:25:03.267
That need to be done in this
kind of death investigation.

1424
01:25:03.267 --> 01:25:07.633
We should, in fact, have
taken steps to study patterns

1425
01:25:07.633 --> 01:25:12.633
Involved in the behavior of key
individuals who had a motive

1426
01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:15.800
To see Kurt Cobain dead.

1427
01:25:16.767 --> 01:25:20.367
This would be in fact, a
classical example for how

1428
01:25:20.367 --> 01:25:23.670
An investigation
should not be done.

1429
01:25:23.670 --> 01:25:26.900
If, in fact, Kurt Cobain
was murdered, as opposed

1430
01:25:26.900 --> 01:25:30.900
To having committed
suicide, and it was possible

1431
01:25:30.900 --> 01:25:34.367
To learn that, shame on
us for not doing that.

1432
01:25:34.367 --> 01:25:37.167
That was, in fact,
our responsibility.

1433
01:25:37.167 --> 01:25:40.200
Should the case be re-opened?

1434
01:25:40.200 --> 01:25:43.670
My answer is unequivocally,
unhesitatingly,

1435
01:25:43.670 --> 01:25:45.667
"Yes, the case
should be re-opened."

1436
01:25:45.667 --> 01:25:47.433
It's about right and wrong.

1437
01:25:47.433 --> 01:25:51.633
It's about honor,
it's about ethics.

1438
01:25:51.633 --> 01:25:53.400
If we didn't get it
right the first time,

1439
01:25:53.400 --> 01:25:56.233
We damn well better get
it right the second time.

1440
01:25:56.233 --> 01:25:58.267
And I would tell you right
now that if I were the

1441
01:25:58.267 --> 01:26:01.667
Chief today, I would
re-open this investigation.

1442
01:26:07.100 --> 01:26:12.100
(Birds chirping)
(Eerie music)

1443
01:26:32.767 --> 01:26:37.767
(Guitar music)

1444
01:26:58.400 --> 01:27:03.400
(Rock music)